Jeff, I was looking at your deep Ukraine plan http://www.p-ced.com/Projects/Uk raine/AMarshallPlanforUkraine/ta bid/69/Default.aspx

I would love anyone reading this thread who has actually been to one of the countreis in the old ussr to just add their name in a post below (if they have time for that) so we could at some stage invite a east europe section of ned to form. The one time I visited ukraine to share some knowhow with 300 young people, it pretty well broke my heart. I think tyhe poverty of old USSR has some pretty unique context to it that merits its own discussion space.

Another talking point that I wish we could develop in a parallel thread is when is a social enterprise nothing to do with yunus defintion of social business. In one of his London talks he made it clear that most UK social enterprises (eg rebadged by .gov) are just not on the same system map as Yunus social business

Where I think there is a connection between several of the last posts is that various people have been affirming the view that like clinton makes that once microcredit gets mature in a region then lots of other grassroots up organisations typically start to multiply. Its almost as if the existence of a truly run microcredit newtork has to come first before the other elements are likely to take root