Linda says:

We gotta get on the same page before that instruction works.

John says:

I am coming to the subject of your foundational premise . . . as a monist not a dualist.

I am humbled to be in this conversation with two such knowledgeable people. I can't speak to the issue of God beyond what I have said because, once I made it past the fact that I was born into a Christian society, I have found no basis on which to choose between all the various explanations of the 'true' nature of the universe.

I don't think that makes me a materialist - I think I am a monist rather than a dualist - but it would take much more study of such things than I am inclined to invest. I will have to defer to your judgment on such things.

I am sorry if I have asked you to turn the page too soon. That was not my intent. What I think you mean by that relates to 'seeing the relationships'. And by that I mean that it is less important to know one is 'right' about any particular aspect of the system than it is to be aware of how one phenomenon that we observe affects and is being affected by other phenomenon.

Linda, you may be right about my reaction to __centrisms. There can be no centrism where one thing is related to another and everything is related to everything else in a single pattern of flows. However, my purpose is to share this understanding of how the world works - and if a comparison with how others have arrived at their 'values' and beliefs will assist in that effort, I am not opposed to exploring such comparisons further.