:Title: Brainstorming - the Next Phase for KJT :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:03:20 PDT :URL: http://www.ned.com/group/kjt/news/2/ This is the text of my post *Brainstormers needed - enthusiasm guaranteed* at my new blog http://ceris62.wordpress.com/ I'll simply copy and paste it here so Nedders can comment here or there, as they wish! **Primary objective** * securing or creating a sustainable source of income for the organisation known as the Kampala Junior Team (KJT), a fledgling sporting academy with big ambitions and an overriding concern for the welfare of it’s members **Primary means** * collaborative online pooling of talent **Guiding principle** * give what you gain, you’ll gain more then you give **Short term goals** * creating and consolidating a network of interested parties and individuals, to include artists, entrepreneurs, PR people, the tech savvy, sports fans, journalists, aid and development workers, the KJT organisers in Kampala, and anyone else who has ideas, experience, or practical help to offer. **Assets** * 3 successful boys’ football teams and a newly created girls’ team * 3 dedicated and hard-working organisers on the ground * a small but supportive network of individuals with varying degrees of experience in the field of international development (to date, soccer boots and kits, 70 GBPounds and 1 computer have been donated thanks to the Facebook groups Boots for a Soccer Team , Kayiwa Fred’s Computer Club and the KJT Wales Supporters Club) **Ambitions** * solving the problem of housing and caring for the 20 or so orphaned young team members who currently stay with coach Kabugo (and who do not attend school as they have no means of paying their school fees - education costs in Uganda) * developing and expanding the range of sporting, social and educational opportunities the KJT provides in the community * ultimately enabling the KJT to function successfully as a social business and to manage it’s own structural and financial affairs **The next step** I envisage a collaborative blog entitled **KJT International**. Interested ? Please leave a comment. More information on the KJT can be found here : http://www.onehelpinganother.com/ ---- **Comments** :Author: John Powers :Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:01:44 PDT Glad to see you blogging. LOL I left a rambling comment at your blog Ceris as if my messy post need to be spread around. ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:37:29 PDT Thanks for stopping by at the ranch John! I'll summarise the reply I left there : (1) I wonder if there is a potential source of income right there in Kampala that the KJT could tap into, e.g. a bicycle repair shop (not that I know anything about the state of bicycles in Kampala)- something that the older kids/young people could run for work experience, where the profits could go towards KJT's day-to-day costs. (2) Your Trading Cards idea fits in nicely with something that was suggested to me the other day, and which also fits I think with the World Connectory Project : A "league" which would feature the KJT teams and junior teams from elsewhere, (global),(they would need to sign up for it), they wouldn't play eachother but a tally could be kept of the number of games won, goals scored, etc., so that you'd end up with a "winner" and hopefully an expanding fan base (even if KJT don't finish top!). It would need a dedicated webspace and an updateable League Table. Different teams / players could be star-featured each week. It would essentially be a promotional/awareness tool, but with lots of potential for spin-offs such as Trading Cards... and paper hats in the various team colours, perhaps! (3) Football Clubs are run as businesss - the KJT is registered as a business - unfortunately I know zilch about the football business, which is why I've tagged my blog with words like "sport" and "soccer" in the hope of attracting attention from sports-minded business people- football fans know what football fans want much more than I do! ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:52:38 PDT Thank you Ceris And Powers for your concern Ceris KJT is registered as a team we actually run as a charitable young academy but the Authorities could not Register it as An NGO as this is something too be big which needs lots of paper work, securities, and stractures so we are just small Community club for young people and our bussiness is to promote Young Talents through sports ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:17:31 PDT :Modified: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:18:09 PDT I was getting a little confused about the KJT's official status, thanks for clearing that up Kayiwa, I understand now! Following our chat this morning I'm fairly clear now on the next step, as we agreed we'll go for a two-pronged approach, I'll be back later to explain to everyone in more detail but basically it's 2 concurrent projects: (1) An International promotional campaign, aiming at establishing Supporters' Clubs in as many countries as possible (I'm leaning strongly towards the International Junior League idea) (2) An online "think tank" to figure out and help set up a means for KJT to generate some of it's own income **edited**typo ---- :Author: John Powers :Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:35:24 PDT My friend Nathan sent me a link to MTV's `Staying Alive Awards`_. It is perhaps a bit of distraction, but the place of HIV prevention education within the football structure is a topic worth considering. .. _`Staying Alive Awards`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPAO-lZ4_hU ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:43:25 PDT >>HIV prevention education within the football structure is a topic worth considering.<< See Grassroots Soccer for a possib;e partner, this **is** exactly what they do. ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:15:55 PDT Great link Mark, and on the Grassroots site I found this link to Street Football World http://www.streetfootballworld.org/SDocument.2007-11-15.2287373390/en which seems to be even more relevant! ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:28:54 PDT Good thinking going on here! Ceris, are you thinking in terms of investigating the possibility of `joining the network`_ of street football world? .. _`joining the network`: http://www.streetfootballworld.org/network/jointhenetwork/en ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:09:08 PDT David Bale said: Ceris, are you thinking in terms of investigating the possibility of `joining the network`_ of street football world? Certainly I think the KJT should apply to join, I can't as I'm not a registered organisation! But it would sit alongside the International Supporters Club/League idea nicely:) I can't see any problem for the KJT meeting the conditions except: *The organisation must be in the position to allocate resources for the networking process* and *Organisations applying for Network Membership must therefore have a sustainable structure and work with a long-term outlook* which brings us back to the funding of a club computer (or two) and the cost of sustaining a network connection. ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:10:23 PDT The KJT International Supporters Club is born (Beta version!) Now all it needs is some international supporters ;) http://gokjtgo.wordpress.com/ ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:31:00 PDT KJT International now has 5 comments from supporters in 4 countries :) On a different tack, does anyone think microcredit might be part of the solution for KJT? ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:46:50 PDT I would imagine that microcredit could certainly help with start up costs if an appropriate and viable enterprise and business model could be found. Who knows - a growing international 'think tank' might be able to help with that too! ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:48:17 PDT We are currently in Nairobi at Shell and BP Sports Club Opposite Canadian Embassy we started off well Today with U10 winning Ugl from uganda.1-0 U12 winning Ligi Ndogo from kenya 8-0 and this team is just from winning a cup in machester Uk and U14 went 1-1 with Sheik Club From kenya lets see other matches we are busy and we have less time on net you can always keep on reading Ugandan News papaers as we have sports repoters here who are reporting it back in uganda Thanks alot for your support we are all well though we need more Food in the camp kayiwa +256782371003 ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:31:24 PDT *U10 winning Ugl from uganda.1-0 U12 winning Ligi Ndogo from kenya 8-0 and this team is just from winning a cup in machester Uk and U14 went 1-1 with Sheik Club From kenya* Yeh!! **HUGE cheers!** I am so pleased, and look at the Under 12s - **8 -0** - way to go!! I also have good news - it's not absolutely definite yet but I do believe it will happen - my friend (though I barely know him) the Tai Chi instructor finally got back to me, he wants to help out and he's asking some of his international footballer friends to donate shirts signed by their respective teams! Funds and publicity all in one go, and it weaves in so well with the supporters' club, I'm thrilled to bits! Kayiwa, it's probably a good job you're all in Nairobi right now because I need a day or two to calm down, lol, I'm so excited :-) ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:33:18 PDT wowowo Hi all Friends am, happy to tell you that we are back and safe home all the Kids came back safely Barbara thanks alot for your concern thanks for the Time you took calling me o phone As i explained to You the thing was not so seroius we just wanted Fuel to go Immidiantely because there was small delay in sendng us the Fuel money but we got help immidiately and we took off it was not something to worry. Sorry Barbara if Jared scared you of it i never meant to scare you. Otherwise we came up with the 3 trophies 2 as overlore winning and this was U12, U14 then U8 was for the third pace winniners we Impresed many people and some of the attendants Requested our Under 12 team to go Next Year as U13 to participate in Gothan youth cup In Norway if we can fnd a sponser to take us there, they can provide Accomodation because they are so Impresive young Talents. What an opotunity However, Photos will take some days to be here as we did not Digial Camera we get them in few ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:01:15 PDT Kayiwa said: we Impresed many people and some of the attendants Requested our Under 12 team to go Next Year as U13 to participate in Gothan youth cup In Norway if we can fnd a sponser to take us there, they can provide Accomodation because they are so Impresive young Talents. Some people here may not realise just how big a `tournament`_ the Gothia Cup is! We must find you sponsors... :) Here's a list_ of some of the illustrious players who played in winning teams in this tournament in the past. .. _`tournament`: http://www.gothiacup.se/ .. _list: http://www.gothiacup.se/eng/Fakta/allstarteam.asp ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:43:55 PDT Kayiwa, are you saying they will provide your accommodation for free? If so, that's great news! I've been thinking more about targets for fundraising and finding sponsors, feeling my way along (as ever), does it make sense to channel efforts into 3 specific projects ? e.g. a **clubhouse fund** (because KJT need a base of their own, and it could double as a computer suite/workshop/be hired out for profit); a drive for sponsorship for the Teams to attend the **Gothia Cup** (travel costs and new kits); a drive to find sponsors for the kids who live with Kabugo to attend **school** etc. What do others think? ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:54:21 PDT David Bale said: Kayiwa said: we Impresed many people and some of the attendants Requested our Under 12 team to go Next Year as U13 to participate in Gothan youth cup In Norway if we can fnd a sponser to take us there, they can provide Accomodation because they are so Impresive young Talents. Some people here may not realise just how big a `tournament`_ the Gothia Cup is! We must find you sponsors... :) Here's a list_ of some of the illustrious players who played in winning teams in this tournament in the past. .. _`tournament`: http://www.gothiacup.se/ .. _list: http://www.gothiacup.se/eng/Fakta/allstarteam.asp Thanks David However i did not got the clear infromation Kabugo just remided me that in Norway its called Norway cup Gothan is in Sweeden the invitation is for Noway cup hough we were advised that we can also apply to Gothan Tournament ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:58:32 PDT Ceris Dien said: Kayiwa, are you saying they will provide your accommodation for free? If so, that's great news! I've been thinking more about targets for fundraising and finding sponsors, feeling my way along (as ever), does it make sense to channel efforts into 3 specific projects ? e.g. a **clubhouse fund** (because KJT need a base of their own, and it could double as a computer suite/workshop/be hired out for profit); a drive for sponsorship for the Teams to attend the **Gothia Cup** (travel costs and new kits); a drive to find sponsors for the kids who live with Kabugo to attend **school** etc. What do others think? To me Ithink all are good to think about allthough some are permanate like the a **clubhouse fund** (because KJT need a base of their own, and it could double as a computer suite/workshop/be hired out for profit); To me sounds so parmanet and nice idea and also the school fees the travel costs is for parttime which we can leave out if we fail though its also so important not sure how others think ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:19:09 PDT Sorry, Kayiwa. I think I've jumped to the wrong conclusion. I think this is `the right tournament`_. It looks just as impressive! .. _`the right tournament`: http://www.norway-cup.no/uk/t2.asp?p=26711 ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:36:46 PDT Good David I have a feeling that we shall have to attend it at least the Girls ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:06:42 PDT Ceris, Am happy you express your feelings, To be honest with you, the number is not exggaerated and you can ask your friend to call in FUFA the federation of Football in Uganda they know about us and the number. One thing i tell you always that we even get more than that number if we are to make them come to join us we just sometimes dodge them because they can come to you always asking you to be part of you. Its unfortunate that the area we are based, has got more than 1000, children so we always take arisk and ignore some because we cant affod to be with all that number ---- :Author: Jon Gosier :Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:51:27 PDT Ceris, I like the objective of your project and If Appfrica.org can help with teaching 'entrepreneurial skills' or mentoring your kids in areas outside of sports, I'm more than interested. I'm here in Kampala so perhaps we should talk. ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:28:53 PDT That's great Jon, thanks! I see on your site that you just held a "barcamp" at the same University that Kayiwa Fred attends, he is studying social sciences, I am sure he will contact you as he is very keen to develop IT opportunities for the kids. I'm in the UK, my involvement is solely via the Internet -a Facebook group, http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=31816461534#/group.php?gid=42383309936 and a blog http://gokjtgo.wordpress.com/ and of course here on Ned. I see also that you are holding a conference soon on developing Facebook applications, one thing that might be nice to work on would be an art application featuring paintings or photographs by the KJT kids. That brings us back to the problem of providing access to the hardware, software, and the necessary skills. If you could help with some of that, or have any other ideas, so much the better! :) ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:05:49 PDT how can we meet John ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:06:10 PDT hello, this is just areminder to you because you would love to sponser one of our orphan is the club to study. we actually have now 20 kids in one school who really need your support to study. we are just warried how they will study this term which detamins their passing to another class they are starting next week on 15th. as aclub,KAMPALA JUNIOR TEAM , we have not yet secured a group bank account as it requires alot of paperworker and much money to open it which is our future plan. However, we have many ways to get the money through wiretranser direct to our accounts, western union, moneygramme and the school account here is the school arcount and adress Batvalley Primary school p.o.box 5122 tel+256-312261122 [office] mob; +256-772-510042[ HM] EMAIL: batvaleschool@yahoo.com A/C 95020200000707 there you are in direct contact with the head mistress of the school were most of our orphans are studying though this term they are 50/50 to study or not study thanks hope to hear from you ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:04:31 PDT A/C 95020200000707 Baroda Bank ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:14:17 PDT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVAtWQTXTqA ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:33:29 PDT I love it...especially the music. ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:29:34 PDT I think it's great! I've posted it on a Fanzine site for Coventry City, the Championship soccer side I support, and so far it's been viewed 170 times. I posted the link to the `newspaper story Ceris first posted about`_ and the following text: I posted here a few months back about asking for children's kit to send out to street kids in Uganda. Also I mentioned a talented 20 year old who was hoping to get a professional contract in Europe. Since then the team in Uganda and the talented young player have joined forces as Kampala Junior Team. Last year they went to Kenya and won a cup there in the Michezo Afrika Cup but ran out of money and had to be rescued by the Ugandan High Commissioner. This year they went to defend their trophy and came back with three. Their U12 side beat this year's Kenyan winners of the UK's Manchester Cup 8-0 in the quarter final and they then won the final 7-0. Their U14 side also beat a side who had recently won a big international tournament in Scandanavia. The green strip and tracksuits and some of the boots were stuff I sent out. Not the Sky Blue kit, I'm afraid. They've now been invited to play in next year's Norway Cup and have made the video to try to raise funds. How can you get a professional club like City interested in talent like this? It's got to make more sense than paying huge wages to certain players we can all think of! I've had a couple of suggestions to follow up, including this interesting link to a `story earlier this year`_ .. _`newspaper story Ceris first posted about`: http://allafrica.com/stories/200809030145.html .. _`story earlier this year`: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/charlton_athletic/7244803.stm ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:45:19 PDT I've sent an email to Ray Ranson, the owner of Coventry City, suggesting that he copies the example set by fellow UK Championship side Charlton_ but invests instead in KJT. Well, you can only ask! :D .. _Charlton: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/charlton_athletic/7244803.stm ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:13:53 PDT It's just been returned as undeliverable! :( I've printed it off and will put a paper copy in the post to Coventry City at the Ricoh Arena tomorrow. :) ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:52:14 PDT Grteat Job David wow impressing thanks alot we are so proud of you friends on Ned Yestday we took our girls team and some boys under 13 to British high commsion were some people from Premier league were conducting course for Girls's coaches and they wanted demostration so they invited our team we shall send the photos online as soon as i meet kabugo this evening who took them oh in the morning of sunday ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:34:35 PDT That's wonderful! KJT are certainly providing plenty of attention-grabbing occasions around which appeals for support can be based. It may be that the development of opportunities for girls' sport may have greater leverage for a cause like KJT, particularly among liberal-minded people in developed countries where there may now be an assumption that talented black male footballers can break into top flight football teams if they are good enough just as players like Drogba, Essien, Adebayor and El Hadji Diouf have done. Whereas the idea of African women playing sport resonates with ideas of modernity, novelty, equality and liberation. ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:44:36 PDT ">"> ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:05:26 PDT .. raw:: html ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:20:48 PDT I'm keeping my fingers crossed that your letter to Coventry City comes up trumps David! That's the kind of angle I think we should take, hopefully it's just a matter of finding that first influential contact...all that KJT talent and determination should do the rest! I'm still not up to speed with neddiness after my wild weekend, I'll get my focus back in a day or two :-) ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:30:14 PDT Hello, we are proud that the schools started on Monday and we got one kid covered by Janey Rudd another one is sonn covered by David Bale, Zeb Anderson. However, There is still need to get the rest covered. Thanks for reading Our reminder Friends Hope to hear from you KJT. MGT ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:15:13 PDT I submitted a link to the KJT International Supporters' Club blog here http://www.soccerlinks.net/pages/ under *blogs*, I'm waiting for it to be approved. I notice there's nothing listed there for Uganda, maybe the KJT's One Helping Another site could link there? ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:17:24 PDT kayiwa Fred said: Hello, we are proud that the schools started on Monday and we got one kid covered by Janey Rudd another one is sonn covered by David Bale, Zeb Anderson. However, There is still need to get the rest covered. Thanks for reading Our reminder Friends Hope to hear from you KJT. MGT That's great news, I really wish I could help more directly with the sponsorship :( ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:12:17 PDT Great Thanks goes To David Bale who sent us 60gp for School fees We are so thankfull David and Christine ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:01:49 PDT Sebufu Isma will be operated his head was hit seriously an accident and he is in horrible station his brains mixed with blood he needs your support and prayers mostly ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:10:09 PDT Isma Sebufu and his Friends They were playing with his friends at home and accidentally he was hit by a strong stick and he got a clot he is in comma now his nerve of the left leg was affected and doctors said he might lose his leg not functioning any more and his brains must have mixed with Blood that's why he will be operated we are in deed sol low all of us with our Friend Isma he is our friend because we stay as a family of KJT Isma needs your support and prayers friend. ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:01:48 PDT How awful! You all need and deserve our support. ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:13:42 PDT You have mine, be strong. ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:10:28 PDT Thanks All Isma talks little now as he waits on friday to be operated lets wait and see God is with us ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:18:49 PDT The KJT need a **bank account**, they don't have one yet because they need a certain amount of funds to open an account (Kayiwa, did you say $150 ?). This has to be a top priority I should think, given the size and nature of the sponsorship they need, for their credibility as an organisation and also for their own safety and security. Thing is, how to raise that $150 dollars? Could we make it a "5 Minute Action Project"? Or work out some kind of loan? Anyone have any ideas? ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:00:07 PDT Isma was operatedToday and he is on Oxygen now he needs your strong prayers ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:22:57 PDT kayiwa Fred said: Isma was operatedToday and he is on Oxygen now he needs your strong prayers Fred, thinking of Isma and for a successful recovery. So glad he was able to find treatment. That is a blessing. ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:50:01 PDT :Modified: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:07:24 PDT I just started another FB group, this time centered around the ambition of a clubhouse/home for the KJT. The idea is to go "viral" with an art application, focusing on spreading the word and raising awareness. I've one well-known (at least on Facebook!) artist on board, I'm hoping for more. The whole thing is inspired in a large part by Peace Tiles, so thanks to Lars for that :) I'm hoping some funds of significant size might be generated further down the line, perhaps with sales of donated art..but for now it's just asking for people to do what the group name says - `Dream for a Team`_ .. _`Dream for a Team`: http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=38969689765 [**Edited by group owner:** `David Bale`_ on 28 Sep 2008 12:07 PDT: Link fixed (I hope)] .. _`David Bale`: http://www.ned.com/user/u437088629/ ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:17:32 PDT :Modified: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:18:28 PDT The *Dream for the Kampala Junior Team* art application is up and running on Facebook, with work from 5 artists (so far)from 3 continents. All I need to do now is figure out how to submit it to the fb applications directory as it doesn't currently show up on a search. Grrr technical stuff. But it is there and can be used! I was pleased to hear today that KJT has a new website in the offing thanks to a fb contact of Kayiwa's from the Netherlands volunteering his services, complete with chat box. Cool :) I'll let Kayiwa post it here when he's ready. *edit for typo* ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:04:55 PDT I've hit a slight problem with the Dream for a Team art app - the "Gift Creator" app I'm using only allows 12 images, which means I guess that it's usefulness has expired to artists not already signed up. Still, it is at least beginning to do it's viral bit to spread the KJT name about, and I submitted it to the Facebook application directory today so hopefully that will spread the word even more. I notice that Facebook apps are being discussed in a WWC thread, I'm not going to comment there right now (time constraints!) but I do want to mention the fact that the Art theme seems to be a potent one, it has over 100 members already and people got actively involved (by contributing artwork) very quickly. I'm just wondering if the KJT could, via their new website perhaps, act as a shop window for artists/craftworkers from Kampala? With the support of artists from elsewhere who already have a following channeling art-lovers to their site with some reciprocal free publicity, maybe the KJT could get earn some commission from sales? Just another idea tumbling out of my jumbled (but ever hopeful!) mind! ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:15:46 PDT Good Idea Ceris could you please explain more about the sales? ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:50:17 PDT I don't know how it would work for sure Kayiwa, I'll ask Vlado and some of the other fB artists for advice. ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:30:13 PDT http://kampalajuniorteam.tumblr.com ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:08:37 PDT Wire Transfer to Kampala Junior Team DFCU BANK [Uganda] swift code: DFCUUGKA GBP A/C NO: 36498662 IBAN NO: GB65MIDL400515536498662 USD A/C NO: 35878911 IBAN NO: GB65MIDL40051535878911 EURO A/C NO: 39513053 IBAN NO: GB65MIDL40051539513053 TO KAMPALA JUNIOR TEAM A/C NO: 01L2535061500 OWINO BRANCH ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:09:33 PDT we have secured an account thanks ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:19:18 PDT That's excellent news about the bank account Kayiwa :-) ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:51:34 PST Returning to the theme of getting a professional club interested in the KJTeam ... I saw this today. It reminded me of the difficulties that small footballing nations face in gaining admission to the elite end of the sport. I didn't realise that even if a professional team in Europe wished to sign a promising young Ugandan player, getting a work permit for them to play is far from automatic: http://www.afriquenligne.fr/ugandan-footballers-venture-into-european,-indian-paid-ranks-2008080910455.html BTW still no acknowledgement of my letters to CCFC. ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:52:57 PST I just received a DVD from Kayiwa of the KJT in training, plus interviews with Coach Kabugo and some of the young players. Even though it's in the Lugandan language (I think!)and I don't understand a word, still it's very effective. I'm thinking of writing a "talk" to accompany it so it could be used as part of a presentation (I've a local footballers' pub in mind to try it out on!) If anyone wants a copy I'd be happy to distribute... :) ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:10:30 PST wow ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:41:34 PST Ceris, would the DVD be the kind of thing that might be of interest to soccer teams (at schools_ or in soccer leagues) in Houston 8192? .. _schools: http://www.ned.com/group/wwc/ws/plan_b_workspace/ ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:35:02 PST Yes I think it would be very useful :) It needs a tiny bit of editing, and a transcript of the interviews would be helpful (could you do that Kayiwa?). To reach it's maximum potential in Houston it would need an English voice-over which would turn it into a bit of a project for someone ;) but even as it stands it is, as I say, quite effective, but needs some accompanying information. It would be great as part of an introductory pack. I'll get a copy done and put it in the post for you :) ---- :Author: Grace Ayaa :Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:47:46 PST I am sorry for diverting the topic a little, Surely everyone of you have really been doing a lot here and I was forced to go and visit these people physically.So this is part of my real world account of how I saw it. http://ayaaswwworld.blogspot.com/ ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:38:24 PST :Modified: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:42:56 PST Wow Grace, that's a brilliant piece of writing and not at all off topic - I really feel I'm there with you. I could never have imagined that scene. I've been thinking for a while that what the KJT needs is a journalist to write a first hand account of what life's like for them - perhaps we've found her! If we put your writing alongside Kabugo's story, http://gokjtgo.wordpress.com/the-kjt-story/ the photos Kayiwa has, http://gokjtgo.wordpress.com/kjt-photo-gallery/ the DVD, and the kid's own stories http://gokjtgo.wordpress.com/meet-henry-byaryhanga/ http://gokjtgo.wordpress.com/meet-kembo-samuel/ ~ that's a very powerful package, in my opinion! ---- :Author: John Powers :Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:41:41 PST Okay `this`_ really is off topic. But because it has to do with Wales I thought of this thread. The caption with the photo reads: The English is clear enough to lorry drivers - but the Welsh reads "I am not in the office at the moment. Please send any work to be translated." Grace both your blog posts are really great. You write lyrically. Thanks for those posts! .. _`this`: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7702913.stm ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:47:46 PST Thanks for adding so much to the KJT cause, Grace, by the strength, conviction and detailed accuracy of your report! That is such a powerful post too, Ceris, where you put Grace's report in the context of the verbal and visual documents already assembled to tell the KJT story. As you say, the combined package is a very powerful package. All it needs is the right audience. Over in the `Plan B`_ thread, we have been talking about how to develop a link between the part of Kampala where Kabugo and the kids live and the part of Houston, Texas, that it has been randomly linked with as part of the `World Connectory Project`_. Now, this part of Houston is largely black and Hispanic and by no means one of the richer parts of the city. This video_ though, when set against the package assembled by Ceris is in such stark contrast, that there must be some way of linking up our efforts for the benefit of all these children - in the US just as much as in Uganda. This is cracking me up - pathos, bathos or what exactly? Just to say that the Kicks_ indoor soccer arena lies within the KJT's partner area boundaries and seems to serve sufficient hot dogs in its in-house catering facility to offset any loss of calories due to the kids' exercise regime. (Click especially on the Kicks Kids, Camps and (very commendable) Ching Team buttons) Oh what a cynic I am! If only we could somehow persuade Melissa Wilson, news anchor with Fox 26 to join forces with us on this! (I wonder if `Sue Braiden`_ might be able to offer us some advice on how to go about this, or indeed, as Ceris advised earlier, how to enlist a friendly Houstonian journalist from any quarter) .. _`Plan B`: http://www.ned.com/group/wwc/news/12/ .. _`World Connectory Project`: http://www.ned.com/group/wwc/ .. _video: http://www.giftswithheart.org/Gifts_with_Heart/Mel._%26_Brian.html .. _Kicks: http://www.kicksindoor.com/ .. _`Sue Braiden`: http://www.ned.com/user/u822185115/ ---- :Author: John Powers :Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:51:21 PST Of all the words I could think to describe you, David, "cynic" would even be in the running. David wrote: there must be some way of linking up our efforts for the benefit of all these children - in the US just as much as in Uganda. I'm sure there is! Really my mind just spins around all the time thinking. It's quite frustrating that I just don't ever seem to think anything up. Your link to the campaign against childhood obesity reminded me of a story in the local paper a few years back. The way I recovered the story was going to my rambling blog posts; ah `this one`_. Actually here's the `direct link`_ to the article. The gist of it is that children in a very impoverished elementary school in Pittsburgh raised money to repair an elementary school in Ghana. The writer for the paper wrote: Too often inner-city black children are on the receiving end of programming that categorizes them as poor and needy. The lessons in swimming and art and reading and writing are well-intentioned and I'm sure do plenty of good. But, damn, it sucks the soul out of a child to be constantly reminded that you have nothing to give. Especially when, all across the world, the only people splashed into the headlines for their largesse are those who have billions to give. In the United States, no matter which end of the economic spectrum they fall on, I think children should believe they have something to give. They only need adults to show them how. "Show them how." I wonder why it's so difficult? Anyway I linked to my blog post because as a bookend to the Pittsburgh story was a story in the Kenyan press about school children in Kenya. The link to that story is dead but here's the gist: The children of Kemeliet Primary School in Meibeki Valley, Kenya collected maize, eventually 200 bags (each bag weighing 100kg) for children in drought-affected areas of Kenya. I don't know how to proceed. I do know there are lots of us in our own ways trying to find ways to build connections. On Facebook Phyllis Hurley drops me a line occasionally. She's been selling products made in Uganda to support kids for well over a year now. She said in the last message: "I've got to figure out how to wholesale." It seems to me that what Ceris is trying to do with the artwork, Ben Parkinson is trying to do with selling books, what Phyllis is doing selling crafts, and what I'd like to sell are related somehow. A platform for selling stuff seems part of the solution. Perhaps it's really a matter of simply using platforms like eBay. I don't know, but I am trying to figure it out. .. _`this one`: http://bazungubucks.blogspot.com/2006/07/frilvolous-exclamations.html .. _`direct link`: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06190/704222-109.stm ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:49:05 PST Oh God Am back online was not able to access Internet the last 3 days However, Ceris and others i can talk to Kabugoa and moses we see how we can hire a camera man, to make coverage in English we can do this after getting some money and we send you the English one i hope it can make more market? ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:51:09 PST We plan to have end of year party after the National soccer camp which will take palace in December before Christmas we also think of making more good DVD for sale and more cards, how about that idea ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:01:37 PST I hadn't realised just how long it's been since I was here! Sorry! John, I think we're closing in on the answer and I think you're right, it has to do with platforms - or perhaps staging posts? Words travel, images travel, money flows (ha!). I had a real life Ned meeting! Ben came Llanfairfechan on Monday and with his help I'll be setting up a website soon to house the Dream for the KJTeam prints project and others, possibly an African arts journal (a staging post for creatives!) - prints first however! Ben had lots of suggestions (cheers Ben:-), allocating a print to each child and including the child's signature or photo with the print is one I particularly like. Another thing Ben suggested was asking the Printer to buy the rights to the print run in return for, say, 50 pounds (or more, the artwork is really very good) or a percentage of each print they sell. That would make it so much easier from my side of things too! What does everyone else think? I'll ask the Printer anyway, I'm told by several people that he's been making and selling prints for years and really knows his onions ;) Kayiwa, I think a DVD in English is a good idea. With the cards, do you mean pictures by the kids ? That might well be something we could do, Ben suggested that too, once I've started the website and got the print sales underway I'll talk to you about it. Did I mention that David came to the rescue with the Dream for the KJTeam charitable bank account ? There was a slight administrative delay, but it should all be up and running in a day or two! :)) ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:59:55 PST Ceris says: Did I mention that David came to the rescue with the Dream for the KJTeam charitable bank account ? There was a slight administrative delay, but it should all be up and running in a day or two! The bank phoned me today, as they promised they would, and they confirmed there is no real problem, just more delay. It appears the form I sent Ceris to complete the process has now been lost without trace somewhere between Bangor and Huntingdon. They have now sent a replacement form for me to start the process all over again. So not a day or two, but maybe a week or two. :( ---- :Author: John Powers :Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:42:58 PST "asking the Printer to buy the rights to the print run in return for, say, 50 pounds (or more, the artwork is really very good) or a percentage of each print they sell." Doesn't seem good to me. 50 pounds isn't seem enough for the rights. On the other hand there are many online services that will print and sell work at a reasonable cost and without money (or much) up front. `RedBubble`_ is one. `Chris Clarke`_ is using that service for some photos. I provide the link so you can see how he's incorporated the sales at his blog, for example he has a RedBubble widget as well as a page to display the work at his blog and direct people to the sales pages at Redbubble. There are several other sites like this, so if you're at all interested in this route, say so and I'll look for other links so you can make a comparison. I'm afraid I'm a bit off the mark, but post card printing is very competitively priced these days. Sometimes high volume at a cheaper price point can be a good thing. .. _`RedBubble`: http://www.redbubble.com/ .. _`Chris Clarke`: http://faultline.org/index.php/site/lftd/photos/ ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:28:15 PST David, just so long as they haven't sent the form to Iceland;) That is a bit of a downer though :( Thanks for the link and thoughts John, to clarify I meant 50 or more for each *copy* sold, not for each print run. Looking at the Red Bubble site I have to say that option would be a little more downmarket than using the local Printer, his prints are made by the Giclee process and printed on artists' papers, so that they could pass for original watercolours. I confess that I don't know vast amounts about the business but, again by word of mouth coupled with a little online research, Giclee prints are considered the only option (other than non-digital, scarily expensive traditional methods)for collector quality / gallery standard prints. The production costs actually seem to be a little less than Red Bubble's too, if my calculations are correct. Maybe my thinking's wrong and I should go for the mass market, certainly I'll be looking at cheaper options if/when the overall concept takes off, however I'm going to stick with the upmarket version for these particular prints at least for now - if it's a total failure and the Printer laughs me out of the shop I'll go back to the artists (trying to keep them in on the collaborative process) and sound them out about using a cheaper method. Another point about using the Printer is that it's all feeding back into the local economy, which will be good for brownie points if I ever need to ask for local government support to help expand, and it plugs into the local art scene which will be good for contacts. However it would make sense to be able to offer cheap and cheerful versions too, you're right there, the Red Bubble approach certainly seems to be worth some serious consideration for that side of things (especially since the project currently has zero capital!) I'm just trying to take things one step at a time and keep as many options open as I can, and choosing quality (and bigger returns)over quantity. If I can sell just two print copies on my terms that's one child's school fees taken care of for a year. Got to be worth a shot, you think? Anyways, what with David's news about the bank account it looks like I've a couple of weeks more to think things over and get it right, every cloud has a silver lining it seems :) please don't stop adding any thoughts/comments/links that might help the decision process! ---- :Author: John Powers :Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:21:43 PST Ceris thank you for clarifying things. I should have understood better, so I thank you for your patience. I don't know much about any of this that's for sure! A friend of mine is an illustrator and artist. I understand that Pittsburgh is a small regional city. My friend seems to me quite savvy in marketing his commercial illustration work. He's also participated in some high profile art projects and has sold his art over time. So it amazes me that the few print projects that he's had in local galleries have not sold well to date. These are carefully crafted and gorgeous pieces. In the circle of people I know through him, and obviously I don't know much about their businesses, the better revenue from prints has come through selling products at low price points at places like Etsy and RedBubble. But even this route is hard as my friend has offered some really cool images on his various Websites through Cafe Press and they didn't sell well. My friend maintains a prominent Web presence. Consistently his commercial illustration business Web site is at the top of the search results. Many other search results refer to various pages with ways to get in touch with him or see his work. But so far the Web has not proven a viable way for him to sell art pieces. The illustration work requires both a Web presence and physical media and plenty of targeted communications. Selling art it would seem requires very good real life connections. It's probably inappropriate talking about my friend, which is why I'm not using his name. The thing is his experience is what I have to go on. And if his experience is any indication, selling higher value art online is a tough slog. On a positive note work sold at higher profile events using online auction applications like `Live Auctioneers`_ is quite a viable way to use the Internet. The work you you have might be able to be sold in lots in an online auction as part of a higher profile sale. I'm stretching here, but I think the printer might be more receptive to the idea of taking a percentage if they were aware in advance of the plan for selling them, and it looked like a likely deal. .. _`Live Auctioneers`: http://www.liveauctioneers.com/ ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:32:39 PST wow Am so excited ---- :Author: Grace Ayaa :Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:32:18 PST Thanks everyone for the hard work that you are all trying to do to help the KJT .I have been a bit out of the loop again, I have been quite sick but better now. Today I will again visit my friends at Kisenyi. I will get back here in the evening with more news. ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:10:06 PST I'm glad to hear you're better Grace, I'm looking forward to your news :) Thanks again for your helpful suggestions John, especially the tip about having a sales plan ready when I speak to the printer. I'm still working, with Ben's guidance, on a broader framework for a non-profit enterprise within which to sell the KJT prints . I think Ben has an interesting contact or two in the arts/media world who could be approached for some publicity at the higher end of the market. I'm *still* leaning towards the high quality / short print run approach , and trying to maximise the profits, but I am taking on board your point (and Ben's) that that needs to be alongside a range of less expensive products within a broader arts spectrum. A thought that's newly popped into my head is to produce something educational for children, perhaps good quality colouring books with artists' line drawings alongside drawings by the KJT kids. The drawings could also be made into collector's prints - silk-screen would be nice..Oh and another's just popped up -:) this one's for further down the line probably - b/w line drawings would make small enough files to send to the KJT on the net for making into colouring books and selling-on in Kampala ... to schools for instance, or other children's organisations? Would there be a market there if it were possible for the KJT to produce them? I envisage them as just black ink on plain paper, with stitched spines, so just basic equipment required. To get back to football ;) I finally managed to find a football supporter to watch the DVD the other day and he was bowled over ! Maybe we'll have a KJT Supporter's Club in Llanfairfechan soon :)) ---- :Author: John Powers :Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:03:32 PST Oh and another's just popped up -:) this one's for further down the line probably - b/w line drawings would make small enough files to send to the KJT on the net for making into colouring books and selling-on in Kampala ... to schools for instance, or other children's organisations? Would there be a market there if it were possible for the KJT to produce them? I envisage them as just black ink on plain paper, with stitched spines, so just basic equipment required. Ceris, as you might have noticed, I'm not very good at getting any ideas off the ground. But the idea of simple books is one of great interest to me. The question of market is obviously the salient one. But is not so easy to figure out, I suppose if it were there would already be some of these operations going. A while back some fellows were interested in a book project in Uganda. One of them had written a study book which a printer picked up and he received some royalties for. I guess that experience alone offers some evidence there's some market. At the time I did look into some of what might be necessary for making a business of producing books work. There is a lot to think through. Some of the ways to make books, like paper cutting require skill and entail a bit of danger. My primary interest in in making books available and affordable, especially in local languages. So that's the low end. There is also a high end of book making hand made books can be extremely beautiful and valuable and require tools that can be locally made. The cottage industry of fine books is something that could work. Fine books are connected to art papers and I've seen local African groups who make their living producing hand made art papers--I'll have to look a bit harder to find links to that. But also there is something in between: Decorative folders, file boxes, accordion books, memo books, diaries, desk sets etc. So I like how a book business can grow organically in several different ways. I've had little luck pitching my ideas about book making to my contacts in Uganda. LOL I must admit I'm a bit hard to take seriously. Life in Africa sold some cards made by a handicapped man in Kampala. Christina was so taken by the fact that the man diligently made his product and actually eeked out a living doing so. I bought a selection of Christmas cards made by him. So I think there must be a way to find a market for books. But so far that's been my faith alone. It's enormously pleasing to see you bring up the idea. An interesting Web site is `Making Books with Children`_ .. _`Making Books with Children`: http://www.makingbooks.com/freeprojects.shtml ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:08:45 PST Ceris said: To get back to football ;) I finally managed to find a football supporter to watch the DVD the other day and he was bowled over ! I can't wait to see this! What I had in mind was sending it to Kicks Indoor Soccer arena in Houston. They have `a video there`_ of a training session with Brian Ching, one of the USA national team stars, and it would make an interesting comparison. (its the video called The Ching Team Clinic). Brian Ching has chosen eleven fit young kids from Houston schools (aged 8-12 I think) to make up `The Ching Team`_ to campaign against childhood obesity in the US. Publicising the KJT, whose members are often without proper nourishment, would make a poignant contrast with youngsters over-consuming junk food in the US and could add a new dimension to their campaign. Would the KJT's DVD be a good demo for this purpose? BTW I've been working on the World Connectory website at http://www.connectory.org so that it will be in good working order when I send out invitations to Houston to take a look (sometime in the coming week I hope). I've used the picture of the KJT with trophies as the principal image. So if you can find time to take a look at the website, your feedback would be useful. .. _`a video there`: http://www.kicksindoor.com/press/ .. _`The Ching Team`: http://www.kicksindoor.com/chingteam/ ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:29:23 PST David, Does this pic work better on your page? .. image :: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3015/3042631941_0a32c03767_o.jpg I looked at the web page and it is looking much more interesting. There are some spelling and grammar mistakes but those can be easily fixed. The bigger concern I have is one that I voiced a year and a half ago when we presented this at the conference in Gulu. It concerns me that these partnerships get focused on rich giving to poor and poor taking from rich. Sharing is a two way thing. Kampala has much to offer to Huston and **focusing** on the poverty demeans (in my eyes) the richness that the "poor" people have to offer. I know that I am in a minority here so I will make my point here and shut up. I know that financially in an many material ways these partnerships are designed to lift up the less advantaged partner, but I somehow feel that making them more equal human partners from the start changes how things happen. There is a major quality difference to me in people who share with friends and help each other out and people who are turned in to beggars of money from people who give to assuage a guilty conscience. ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:07:43 PST Hi Linda, thanks for feedback. Can you PM me the typos/grammar errors? And I really do agree with you about the poverty issue. That's why the KJT DVD seems interesting. It demonstrates the richness of skills that the KJT team possess. Enabling giving to worthwhile projects seems to me more like a gift from poor people to rich ones, since it enables rich ones to share in doing something worthwhile. Focusing on who exactly gives and who gets seems less important than ensuring that the transaction is worthwhile. And I mean worthwhile in the sense that * it contributes to something that does good * in contributes to something that helps build sustainability (or increase the likelihood of replication) * it increases the self-respect of the giver (or is transformative) * it increases the self-respect of the receiver (or is transformative) * it makes something happen that wouldn't otherwise happen ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:01:21 PST Linda said: I know that I am in a minority here so I will make my point here and shut up. I know that financially in an many material ways these partnerships are designed to lift up the less advantaged partner, but I somehow feel that making them more equal human partners from the start changes how things happen. There is a major quality difference to me in people who share with friends and help each other out and people who are turned in to beggars of money from people who give to assuage a guilty conscience. I'm a bit puzzled by this. Where is it suggested or implied that the WWC is anything to do with beggars or guilty consciences? What **is** spelt out, very clearly I think, is that: Both areas will share a duty of responsibility for the interests and well-being of both partner areas. The details of how this might work in each partnership area will be down to the members themselves. I think that this wording is post-Gulu, and previously there may only have been references to the partnership being a "mutuality" without a fuller explanation of the term. So, it may very well be that the idea of areas sharing friendships was not spelt out there very clearly. If so, that might explain the unfortunate resonance that Linda still associates with the WCP. ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:48:24 PST wow as I always say i love whatever is going here thanks Ceris, David, Powers, Linda and Grace together with others. David and Ceris Personally i have a thinking that we should make another DVD [Video coverage] which is more clear and more understandably perhaps in English. Unfortunately it cant be so soon because We need to have good shooters and some money to come up with good quality. I think David this DVD can market us. Or others what do you think? ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:52:36 PST Linda you said I know that I am in a minority here so I will make my point here and shut up. I know that financially in an many material ways these partnerships are designed to lift up the less advantaged partner, but I somehow feel that making them more equal human partners from the start changes how things happen. There is a major quality difference to me in people who share with friends and help each other out and people who are turned in to beggars of money from people who give to assuage a guilty conscience Thanks for that point it reminds me on my visit to Kampala school of metantal children and and i found out that there are many children who are disabled but they are so creative making crafts, studying this i came to learn that mentally is just in our minds and we should put emphasis hard working culture in the young people, they should not always think of begging and this is much emphasized in KJT ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:07:05 PST I didn't mean to seem so negative. My apologies. I guess when I get to a list of possible beginning activities and one side is "directed" to build relationships with people who ask for money to make their lives better and the other side is directed to provide money for microfinance and build relationships with organizations that take money.... I think if rather BOTH groups were encouraged to look at themselves and see how to convey who they are - introduce themselves - to the partnered area, they might both find new things about themselves that are valuable. I think that it is in that kind of sharing that everyone can start to see new productive possibilities. You have the lists of established organizations for people to use, and that is good, but to start every one out on separate pathways - **IMO** - sets the wrong tone. It sets one side up to be givers and the other side as receivers. Everyone, on both sides, needs to be both a giver AND a receiver. Remember that free advice is often worth what it cost you (and understand that **I** know that). :-) ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:19:45 PST Linda said: You have the lists of established organizations for people to use, and that is good, but to start every one out on separate pathways - IMO - sets the wrong tone. It sets one side up to be givers and the other side as receivers. Everyone, on both sides, needs to be both a giver AND a receiver. Ah ha! I now see what you've been getting at. And you're right. I've removed the separate pathways in other things posted here, but not on the website. Until now. And I think it's a definite improvement. Thanks! ---- :Author: John Powers :Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:57:32 PST The Web site looks great David. ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:22:03 PST Powers and Linda you can also advise on our mistakes in the site and we edit? take a look http://www.kampalajuniorteam.org ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:09:56 PST David Bale said: Ah ha! I now see what you've been getting at. And you're right. I've removed the separate pathways in other things posted here, but not on the website. Until now. And I think it's a definite improvement. I think so too! It is at least infinitely better! ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:55:48 PST Just time to say - Glad you like the "produced in Kampala" idea John, I think it's certainly worth investigating, please stay in the loop on this! David, the WWC site looks great :-) I'm still working on making copies of the DVD, as I mentioned to you (I think!) none of the progs I have on my PC want to do it so I've passed it on to a friend who should hopefully (fingers crossed) have made some copies for me when I see him later today. Got to dash, again, life is hectic here at the mo! ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:53:14 PST :Modified: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:56:07 PST A draft version of the Dream for the KJTeam main web page - text in brown = links. Comments / suggestions please? (Kuchora Arts for Africa will be the broad concept site which will host the Dream for KJT site) I now have a couple of copies the DVD btw, David I'll put one in the post for you later today :) http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/uDbDIYvqh3hQyuhkmz6_ug (If someone wishes to embed the image here for this techno-incompetent (me!) feel free!) ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:19:02 PST .. image :: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_JqmbxWUCV9E/SSpmVsUF5TI/AAAAAAAAAf0/gs_gowSC9vA/s512/KJTeamMainPage.jpg ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:22:25 PST You might consider not using "here" for your links but rather the action concepts "Support School fees", "Support Norway Cup Appeal", "Donate", "Details". It makes your links look different from one another. ---- :Author: Grace Ayaa :Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:35:57 PST I am so glad that everybody is participating in developing the website. Much as we continue to work on the looks and the different tools for the website, I would also like to draw your attention to this: Yesterday I visited these people at their offices which is situated on the compounds of the school where the children study from . I took time to talk to the head mistress and I found out that there was really a lot that we may need to attend to now. You can see my full account here: http://ayaaswwworld.blogspot.com/2008/11/admin-home-of-kjt.html ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:38:50 PST Thanks Linda :) Other than that, do you think it does it's job as a main page? I just made a draft for the main Art Prints page which looks very different, again feedback please (and ignoring the fuzzy typeface which I will change)- does it say enough / have the right kind of appeal ? ( One thing I'm already thinking of changing is * ~ watch your investment change the life of ...* which I think would be better as simply *change the life of...* ) http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2aAbMdsfdKeajAW4ZWr8-g ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:07:16 PST Grace, I think you are fast becoming one of the most important members of the team, your reports are really invaluable. I think it would be useful at this stage to determine exactly how much is owed to the school and the names and ages of all the children whose education has been suspended because of the unpaid fees. That could be our first fixed target with the fundraising. ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:27:33 PST 3. LUBINGA I BRAH P7C 13 4. KALEMBA ROBERT P6A 12 5. AGABA MICHEAL P64 10 6. SENTONGO BAST P7C 12 7. BWANASOLO ALEX P7C 13 8. MUGUME YASIRI P7C 12 9. KAMUREGEYA DERICK P6C 11 10. KARIMU ABDU P6A 10 11. SSETUBA BENARD P6C 12 12. SSEKYANZI STEWART P5B 12 13. SENYONDO FRANK P6C 10 14. SSEGUYA WILLIAM P4A 10 15 MUBIRU CONSTANT P6C 11 16. KIRABIRA CREZESTOM P6C 12 17. KATUMBA DEOGO P6C 10 18. SEMABO DERICK P6C 12 19. LUBEGA ARAFAT P6C 11 20. NSUBUGA FASWIYA ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:30:02 PST these are the kids ceris they are 18 kids well some of them just finished P7 exams on mercy and the balance still holds thanks Grace for your visit and reporting ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:03:25 PST .. image :: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_JqmbxWUCV9E/SSwPdbrp7RI/AAAAAAAAAhI/Vte-_vF1mBg/s720/PrintsMain.jpg ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:19:30 PST Thanks again Linda :-)) Fred, what is the balance owing on the children's fees, not including the fees for the next term which I know is $60 each x 18 = $1,080 ? Ben has suggested having a general "Events and Activities" fund instead of a "Norway Cup" fund, which makes sense I think, it's much more flexible and would allow the KJT to use the fund for some other named purpose should the Norway Cup target not be reached. ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:26:54 PST On this one, my feel (and I do mean **FEEL**) is that it is too cluttered. You have 4 lovely pictures that are lined up tallest to shortest with cutouts from them over their heads. There is some kind of writing on the smaller ones but I can't figure out what it is. Available now on the sides seems like a KMart blue light special...Ceris might not get that but the Yanks will. Trust me though that it "cheapens" it....to **MY** feel. I am not sure how to conceptualize this but I keep thinking of the link between art and dreams. Much art starts out as an artists "dream" and now *This* art is going to come full circle and enable the dreams of these children. I don't know - a circle / spiral? Simple, elegant. One picture on the front page that changes regularly (maybe there is a java ap out there that can randomize your pics each time the page loads or give you a slide show.) Here is a 5 minute throw together ... .. image :: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/3059158009_a988a1c579_o.jpg ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:29:37 PST Helps if you proof read before you publish....sigh .....dreams of the children who are a part of the Kampala Junior Team ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:39:14 PST I like the Circle/Spiral concept !! Excellent! Vlado (one of the artists) is very fond of spirals, as it happens, that must be Fate trying to give me a clue! Thanks Linda :)))) I agree about a slide show rather than all the pics together, I still tend to think "poster" rather than "webpage" (my turn to sigh!) Good news! Dream for the KJTeam now has a bank account ! ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:48:08 PST I am breathing a great sigh of relief. I worry so much when I throw something out that is so different that I am going to offend or insult....which is never my intention....ahhh...now I can get on with other things. :-) ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:25:58 PST Ceris Dien said: Thanks again Linda :-)) Fred, what is the balance owing on the children fees, not including the fees for the next term which I know is $60 each x 18 = $1,080 ? Thanks Ceris for asking the balance is 60$ each and that makes it covered that how we agreed then we shall start new term which will be next year with fresh fees when they are not owed let me know if am clear Besides Am preparing also to do my exams but this night my right side eye is paining me seriously and aching not sure why Iam going to see doctor early morning so i cant be on computer for long ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:30:59 PST Yes that's clear, thanks. That's quite a target all in all. But it's a good number for a target because **1** 0 **8** 0 and there are 18 kids ;) I hope your eye's better and that you managed to see the doctor. ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:15:41 PST Has everyone here seen the KJT website lately ? It's great! This page in particular, with the kids ~ http://www.kampalajuniorteam.org/?page_id=44 I now have a deamforthekjteam website which I'm building (!really:) with a sitebuilder, still in the *very* early stages, hoping to knock it into shape fairly quickly. Advice and guidance will probably be needed! I thought I might put it in a workspace here tomorrow. ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:14:09 PST i have seen the website an dit is perfectly good am so impressed ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:10:02 PST Last night I spent 2 or 3 hours adding content to the site, then my browser had a fit and I realised I had forgotten to save - I lost all my amendments - *sigh* again :( ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:00:35 PST Website up! Not quite finished, it needs a couple more pics and I just spotted a couple of typos. And it won't let me make all the links the same colour :( but other than that... does it say what it needs to, for now, and in an appropriate fashion? And design-wise? Next on my KJT to-do list is a subdomain for the Prints, and I guess David and I should check out the electronic payment options. ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:40:54 PST Ceris, Have a link? ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:04:39 PST Yep, sorry, usual late-night brain fog ! http://dreamforthekjteam.org.uk/ ---- :Author: John Powers :Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:01:50 PST The site looks great. `Afrigadget`_ started a campaign to support mobile reporters. They put a ChipIn widget at the blog and for some reason it didn't work--normally the ChipIn widgets work without a hitch. Anyhow the way they solved it was to put the ChipIn widget into a `Sprout`_ widget. I hadn't known about Sprout and it's a useful service. The advantage of widgets is they can be shared across many Web sites. People can decide to host a Dream for the Team widget at their own sites. Sproutbuilder is a way of making and managing widgets. When you update a widget all of the widgets are updated automatically. So it's something to consider as you think about how to handle the donations feature of the Web site. Or just to have a way to distribute the content about Dream for the Team. .. _`Afrigadget`: http://www.afrigadget.com/2008/11/28/support-afrigadgets-young-mobile-reporters/ .. _`Sprout`: http://sproutbuilder.com/ ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:51:37 PST Thanks John, Sprout looks great, I just took a tour and I like what I saw. :)) ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:45:23 PST Wow - this collaborative effort is so exciting to see! Congratulations everyone on getting this far. I am making some minor updates to the Life in Africa site and would like to make sure to get the correct links up there to promote. My aim is to kind of consolidate all the KJT online happenings on one page. This is what I've got now. **Project website:** kampalajuniorteam.org **Chairperson's blog:** Kampala Junior Team by Mansoor Kabugo **Online supporter groups:** KJT International Supporters Club, KJT group @ ned.com, DreamForTheKJTeam fundraising page **Life in Africa visit reports:** The Admin. home of KJT (24 Nov 2008), Inside the Tunnel (27 Oct 2008), A little light in the shadows (22 Oct 2008) ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:46:29 PST Wow - this collaborative effort is so exciting to see! Congratulations everyone on getting this far. I am making some minor updates to the Life in Africa site and would like to make sure to get the correct links up there to promote. My aim is to kind of consolidate all the KJT online happenings on one page. This is what I've got now. **Project website:** kampalajuniorteam.org **Chairperson's blog:** Kampala Junior Team by Mansoor Kabugo **Online supporter groups:** KJT International Supporters Club, KJT group @ ned.com, DreamForTheKJTeam fundraising page **Life in Africa visit reports:** The Admin. home of KJT (24 Nov 2008), Inside the Tunnel (27 Oct 2008), A little light in the shadows (22 Oct 2008) Oops my links didn't copy but I think you folks know what the titles above refer to. Have I missed anything? Again, great job! ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:49:11 PST Almost forgot! I can put a widget for a current challenge on there to - so if you've got a sprouted chip-in that would be tremendous. ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:24:05 PST Thanks Christina :))) I have made a Chip-In page but the grrrr stooopid website builder I'm using won't let me put a widget on my site, there's just a link there instead. I can sprout a widget just for you, however, Christina! I'll sort it tomorrow, tonight I'm feeling a bit flu-ish so I'm off for an early night, 'night all ;) ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:19:00 PST I just like this Jordan you are most welcome here I have trust in your work that it always move from one stage to another ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:30:07 PST Serious brain failure - I can't even sprout a widget now - methinks I should take the weekend off and recharge my braincell batteries! Here's the link to the Chip-In Page http://dreamforthekjteam.chipin.com/mypages/view/id/90d04424abf9117e Please feel free to repost anywhere and everywhere! ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:41:07 PST That's the code for the widget (not sprouted, just a plain chip-in version) - again, please feel free to repost! ---- :Author: John Powers :Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:41:06 PST yes I think the chipin widget is plenty enough. ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:03:13 PST .. raw :: html ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:03:59 PST my donation doesn't show :-( ---- :Author: John Powers :Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:03:29 PST I added the widget to my blog and made a donation too. It did not seem to show up either. I wonder why? ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:34:08 PST Not sure why, though I saw this happen to someone else recently. I'd suggest emailing the people behind Chipin. ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:19:29 PST It's ok now I think, it may be that I needed to accept the payments on the paypal page before they showed up on the ChipIn, which I have just done. ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:16:09 PST Hurray! ---- :Author: John Powers :Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:46:07 PST Yes they are showing up ;-) ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:26:55 PST Yep, thanks :)) I'm thinking I should add an explanation of how Chip-In works, and how much information the recipient receives about the donor (full name and postal address), to the donations page. My feeling is that people are suspicious of it, intuitively, and I must admit I was surprised to receive a thank you message the first time I donated to a cause via Chip-In, I thought I was doing so anonymously. I'm getting nowhere fast with the prints, I'm sorely tempted to beg, steal or borrow (well, maybe not steal!) the cost of a small print run, I feel I need something solid to tempt people with and as proof of quality for myself (because if I'm not confident the customer won't be, right?) And I think I should make some kind of business plan. I think that's what fate wants me to do! Fate may have to wait however until Christmas has been and gone ;) ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:21:43 PST Hello, Yeastady sunday was KJT's end of year party Thanking God for all what we have achieved we had almost 100 parents and about 300 kids attending the party it was colurfull indeed i need to get time online and create a link for all photos of music dance and drammer wow i wish you were there. we even had a nice coverage ---- :Author: Ceris Dien :Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:39:26 PST Ceris Dien said: I'm resurrecting this thread in order to work with Kayiwa and others on a project proposal to allow the KJT to **access the grant available from LiA.** I'm reposting my original outline (mission statement, I guess) as most of it still seems relevant **(new points in bold in brackets)**: **Primary objective** * securing or creating a sustainable source of income for the organisation known as the Kampala Junior Team (KJT), a fledgling sporting academy with big ambitions and an overriding concern for the welfare of it’s members **Primary means** * collaborative online pooling of talent **(enabling KJT to become a hub of income-generating and socially proactive creative activities in Kampala)** **Guiding principle** * give what you gain, you’ll gain more then you give **Short term goals** * creating and consolidating a network of interested parties and individuals, to include artists, entrepreneurs, PR people, the tech savvy, sports fans, journalists, aid and development workers, the KJT organisers in Kampala, and anyone else who has ideas, experience, or practical help to offer **(both on the ground and online)** **Assets** * 3 successful boys’ football teams and a newly created girls’ team * 3 dedicated and hard-working organisers on the ground * a small but supportive network of individuals with varying degrees of experience in the field of international development (to date, soccer boots and kits, 70 GBPounds and 1 computer have been donated thanks to the Facebook groups Boots for a Soccer Team , Kayiwa Fred’s Computer Club and the KJT Wales Supporters Club) **(One working desktop computer [KJT's]; one laptop [Kayiwa's]; one available room)** **Ambitions** * solving the problem of housing and caring for the 20 or so orphaned young team members who currently stay with coach Kabugo (and who do not attend school as they have no means of paying their school fees - education costs in Uganda) * developing and expanding the range of sporting, social and educational opportunities the KJT provides in the community * ultimately enabling the KJT to function successfully as a social business and to manage it’s own structural and financial affairs **(I suggested to Kayiwa that the computer club could develop into a CYBER ARTS CAFE specialising in catering for artists who need internet access to promote their work, use of paint and imaging software, and purchasable means of storing their digital files. A good INTERNET CONNECTION is the first priority, I should think, closely followed by another computer or two - but what might the grant cover? 6 months internet? How much would that leave? The grant is about 370 GBpounds )** ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:11:43 PST Greetings from KJT, It has been long time but we are back online its not so easy life here but we are moving on kids are back in schools and we only meet regularly ---- :Author: kayiwa Fred :Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:58:07 PST www.kampalajuniorteam.org ----