:Title: Ned.com Community :Author: Administrative User :Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:09:57 PDT :URL: http://www.ned.com/group/ned/news/0/ Welcome everyone. The new site is starting to take form. There is a lot of missing baseline content that we take for granted on the main omidyar.net site. We'll need some volunteers to fill some of the help pages as people notice that content is missing. We may also need more formal privacy policies, and user agreements. Anyone have an opinion on how formal, or what needs to be added to either right away? It's like we now have an empty lot, and it's time to build our community from scratch. ---- **Comments** :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:11:40 PDT When you see "Administrative User" that's probably Jim. Let's get some discussion started, and add some feedback so that this shows up on the front page and people know where to start! ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:31:19 PDT Helllloooo! all. I'm so excited that is up and running. I'd love to hang out here and mess around for the day but I just spoke to Patricia Burbank this morning. She is in Vancouver and her and her husband are coming over to visit me on SaltSpring for the day so I'm going to go play tour guide. Picking them up at the ferry terminal right after I do my container duty. **I <3 ** ---- :Author: Jackie Brosseuk :Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:49:57 PDT Yay!!!! So glad to be here, ready to pitch in and build :) j. ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:06:26 PDT Fantastic! Great to see everyone here, Meron, Jackie, Ray! I have made one change to the feedback system. Where on omidyar.net, your banks would grow magically overnight, here you are only rewarded for time that you spend reading. When banks grew automatically, that was because you were getting credit for others reading discussions that you had started. This caused a lot of confusion on the old site, and gave some people more points than they could spend. Here, you will get about one point in your bank for every 80 pages that you read. I'd like to see how that goes for a while. You also get karmic activity credit for posting comments, voting in polls, and other general activity... same as good ol' omidyar.net. ---- :Author: Cynthia Gentry :Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:13:08 PDT What's that old saying, "Everything old is new again."? Thanks for your work here, Jim. Good to see everybody. ---- :Author: anne marie bellavance :Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:13:34 PDT endings are beginnings :D will be back soon with user agreement thoughts..... ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:50:43 PDT I think that we need to amend the user agreement to include a CC license from the begining. ---- :Author: Gabriel Stauring :Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:36:50 PDT Hey friends! ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:31:20 PDT So great to see everyone here, and a big thank you again to Jim for getting this all put together. Regarding the UA and PP we can use o/net's as a template and make changes when/where needed. Meron, please tell Patricia I said hello...you guys are going to have a blast. ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:38:42 PDT The visit with Patricia and her husband was quick but wonderful. Picked them up at 2pm from the Long Harbour ferry, took them to the container, visited the SOLID office, coffee at Roaster's, wandered the market that was packing up after a rainy day, lunch overlooking the harbour from OysterCatchers (where you went with Pam and the boys) then drove them to the south end, a quick walking tour of Fulford Habour Village then had them on the 5:50pm ferry. Talked non-stop the whole time in between **:D** ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:40:45 PDT A talking/touring packed day...what a blast. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:46:43 PDT When I saw Nicholas Kristof in Portland recently one interesting thing he said about the media was (paraphrase)... "We the media spend too much time focusing on news that is yesterday, and ignore news that is every day." That made me think about what much of the focus that the o/net members have spent their time on: aids, poverty, water, hunger, malaria, cancer, genocide, human rights. trafficking, education, orphans, war, child soldiers. In general we are trying our best to focus on the every day problems. Thrilled to count you all as friends and collaborators. ---- :Author: Luke Martin :Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:55:03 PDT Deja vu, that's for sure. But in the best sense of it -- not a feeling of dread deja vu, but feeling that something good's just around the bend. But, of course, I'm sidetracked right now by needy children who have been far too busy this weekend. I look forward to re-meeting everyone. (I'm Luke. And I'm a good-aholic.) ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:49:48 PDT **Welcome Luke!!!** Hi, I'm Meron and I'm a -aholic with a chocolate thing goin' on the side ; ) ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:04:01 PDT .. image :: http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/11/81/23288111.jpg We need to have some continuing traditions! ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:35:15 PDT okay, about the points dood(s) - i need more points to start a group - ack! threshold is 10, which is hard to do in one's first months - can it be lowered to 5 to help "seed" the place, then bumped up again or something...? oh, and kudos to jim and mark and everyone who made it - i feel woozy, like i just went through a Munneckeian Rabbit Hole (not to be mistaken for a Manichean *Syzygos* ... ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:39:01 PDT >>Munneckeian Rabbit Hole<< Good one. >>can it be lowered to 5 to help "seed" the place, then bumped up again or something...?<< Or can we *drag and drop* some o/net groups here free of charge...Jim? ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:46:14 PDT Think before you jump, Mark. Get it right at the beginning or you will pay for it in the end. (Grandma speaking...) ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:50:58 PDT Hey, I'm just asking questions and look to the entire BOA for advice. Should Peace Tiles, LiA, Emancipation Network, Better World Island, Stop Genocide Now and others be free (per the BoA invitation) to set up shop here instead of the bland groups that were set as default to start with? ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:55:46 PDT Oh yeah. Facebook started as a per invitation only web site... at first. Very much helped guide the initial development of the site. Thoughts? How to deal with signal/noise ratio? Just tossing that out there. ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:07:59 PDT exciting to see everyone here! Congrats Mark and Jim. I am hoping to get some direction/advice/assistance on migrating content and members from the old LiA group at Onet to ned.com For those who don't yet know, Life in Africa's communities in Kampala and Gulu are in the process of changing their identity to Ned Uganda. How much of the old LiA content should migrate here? When can we start having active ned Uganda planning discussions online that involve more of the Ugandan members? Given the point minimum for starting new groups, I feel handicapped to help the LiA / ned Uganda group get started. I've also got stuff on Opok Farm and the new US based Life in Africa to share, but it looks like it will be a while before I am able to populate this site with any of it. Is it possible to change the point threshold temporarily for the ned board of advisors so we can help to get this show on the road? ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:45:14 PDT Ok, it used to be 10 points to start a group, and you would also need 5 sponsors, each ready to spend 5 poits. Instead of 10/5 it's now 2 for group creation / 1 for sponsoring. As soon as traffic goes up on the site, I'll change it back to 10 and 5. ---- :Author: John Berger :Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:11:44 PDT Hey - this looks familiar! ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:09:12 PDT :Modified: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:59:24 PDT All aboard the board: http://www.ned.com/group/board/ This group cannot be read by non-members, but any of us can join at the moment. As soon as others start showing up, I'll make it by-invitation-only. ---- :Author: Luke Martin :Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:15:04 PDT A couple thoughts, take or leave them: * I know that a lot of work has gone into creating groups on o.net. But how much is valuable rolling over? I'd say that content for content's sake isn't necessary, and past conversations and brainstorming don't add to the here and now. Workspaces are a different issues, I think. Anyway, all that to say that I'd rather see minimal engorging of this site, unless content is *essential* for the groups moving forward. How to determine what's essential -- that has to be an individual decision, but I think people should challenge themselves with the thought process. I'd personally rather see new work here than recapturing history. * Invitation only? Well, I personally like that, for the time being. What kind of scares me is seeing the pink and green of o.net and thinking that it'll only be a matter of time before things here end up looking like things there. Am I being elitist? No. Just being focused. Do I want a community of happy and pleasant people? No. I just would like to see some focus on collaboration, social innovation, and doing things. The blah blah blah is definitely one thing that can't migrate to this new site. * Now that we "own the code", is it worthwhile doing some additional tweaking? There have always been issues about points, etc. I'd rather the conversation not diverge into that territory, but maybe there are some simple "fixes" that people would like to see -- cap on points to conversations or fellow users, for instance? ---- :Author: John Berger :Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:20:01 PDT Agree about content, lets start new. Ill make a TEN space and recap some stuff, but have no desire to spend mental energy or time on the past discussions. To your second point, the key to me is having a core group of users with moderation rights and a well defined code of conduct. We should be quick to move or delete posts that are off topic or obnoxious. ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:06:04 PDT Totally agreed John! I'm ready to be ruthless! By the way, anyone creating groups, let me know and I'll help you skip the step where you need sponsors. ---- :Author: Cynthia Gentry :Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:14:59 PDT I'm all for starting developing here from scratch. There was something extraordinary about the early days of Omidyar.net when you knew every person and you could keep up with most every discussion. That's how I made so many discoveries. Later, as it filled with so much junk and volume it became overwhelming and I explored less and less. Perhaps (especially if personal news had wiki capability...please, Santa, please) we could pull over favorite things of our own that we want to hold on to. I like the idea of starting by invitation and developing a foundation that sets the tone for the environment we are trying to create. Also, keeping it small for a while would be a good way to iron out the kinks and make the changes we want. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:42:20 PDT >>(especially if personal news had wiki capability...please, Santa, please)<< I like that idea too. I also wish we could add members personal news to our watch lists. ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:18:52 PDT Can you set up an invite button for us to invite people? With smaller banks, people will not be pointing discussions as they have on onet which will make it difficult to populate the home page. On Onet, it appeared that onet staff could create groups without sponsors. Can we set things up so that BOA folks can set up groups with no sponsors? Can we make it mandatory to have 2 owners on a group so that is someone disappears the group is not controllable? I really think that organizing the front end of this before a lot of people arrive here is going to be critical. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:28:17 PDT Linda said >>I really think that organizing the front end of this before a lot of people arrive here is going to be critical.<< Linda, there are some thoughts on organizing the groups, areas of focus, and action over here... http://www.ned.com/group/board/news/0/ >>On Onet, it appeared that onet staff could create groups without sponsors. Can we set things up so that BOA folks can set up groups with no sponsors?<< With over 400 groups, most very inactive, I think Jim was thinking that with 2 (soon to be 5) points to start a group that there will be less...but more focused, active, and action based groups. Here are some o/net to ned.com group migration suggestions, and one of four categories they would fall under: development, human rights, social enterprise, and community. Atlas Service Corps/development/http://www.omidyar.net/group/atlascorps/ Better World Island/community/http://www.omidyar.net/group/bwi/ Crisis in Sudan Group/human-rights/http://www.omidyar.net/group/sudancrisis/ lost in the FOOD CHAIN/social-entrepreneurs/http://www.omidyar.net/group/foodchain/ Ned Uganda/social-enterprise/http://www.omidyar.net/group/lia/ Ned Thailand/social-enterprise/http://www.omidyar.net/group/coffee/ http://www.omidyar.net/group/thaied/ http://www.omidyar.net/group/thaicollab/ http://www.omidyar.net/group/twwwt/ Ned Oregon/social-enterprise/http://www.omidyar.net/group/ned/ Opok Farms/development/http://www.omidyar.net/group/opokfarms/ Peace Tiles/community/http://www.omidyar.net/group/peacetiles/ SOLID - SaltSpring Organization for Life Improvement and Development/development/http://www.omidyar.net/group/solid/ The Emancipation Network/human-rights/http://www.omidyar.net/group/ten/ Unbelievable Donation/development/http://www.omidyar.net/user/u560416161/news/9/ WDYDWYD? thread/community (main page thing) Seeing Beyond Site Group/community ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:32:07 PDT I can skip the sponsor step for you. Each day I look in the new groups page and approve any groups that I see there. ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:00:58 PDT Can you help me skip the 'point' step too? **:D** Sorry, you don't have enough points in your feedback bank to create a new group. It costs 2 point to create a new group. You have 1 points in your feedback bank. You can earn more points in your feedback bank through your activity on the site, such as reading, posting comments or contributing to workspace pages. You also earn points quickly whenever you receive positive feedback from other users. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:07:47 PDT Meron, would you like Jim to set up the **SaltSpring Organization for Life Improvement and Development** group? ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:11:53 PDT :Modified: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:23:20 PDT Thanks Mark and Jim, just a little whining and I now have the points I need **: )** *[Edit: Group created, now just waiting for Jim to work his magic.]* ---- :Author: Evvy Bryning :Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:42:34 PDT Yea!!!! An actual discussion. Boy I have sure missed seeing that. So happy to see Ned.com finally happening. ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:08:46 PDT Meron Moroz said: *[Edit: Group created, now just waiting for Jim to work his magic.]* Magic has happened. (The group is accepted, no more sponsors necessary.) ---- :Author: Shawn Kelly :Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:59:05 PDT Hey, this place seems familiar...I wonder why? Hello all, happy to be here! ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:04:37 PDT ;-), Hey Evvy. Hey Shawn...welcome. There will be some pretty cool additions to the site coming in the near (and far) future. Neat ideas and features that will help all members and groups get more and more things done. If you have other ideas one how to make the site better, please share as well. Jim is the *magic man*. ---- :Author: Evvy Bryning :Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:10:11 PDT Hey Shawn! So glad to see you here. Yes, this place looks familiar but I like it. Its kind of like setting up your furniture and stuff in a new house. Same furniture you had before but it seems just a little different in the new environment. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:26:14 PDT Just a reminder I'm away from the web today thru Friday, but might be able to be reached by phone if needed. (our profiles could use a calendar feature, huh?) Enjoy unpacking. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:34:34 PDT I've got a thread I'd like to start before I go...but I don't have any points (they're harder to get now...which I think will be a really good thing in general.) If someone has the point to start a thread and would like to, I'd be thankful. The thread title I was thinking of is... How Could/Should Ned.com Measure Its Success Over 12 Months? ---- :Author: Grace Ayaa :Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:04:50 PDT Been sick for almost the past two weeks and wasn't on line, but came back and found lots of good things had taken place . Everyone is already here. Great work Jim and Mark and nice meeting all of you old folks here again. As Shawn has said, it's all very familiar and looks simple. ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:23:32 PDT This is so wonderful!! I agree about starting afresh - will be starting a World Connectory Group here this weekend by shipping over content from Onet workpages. I can't wait to get started! Planning to use Ned as WWC HQ till we get a WWC website up and running. And also perhaps to farm out separate stands for development to other sites e.g. recruitment to Facebook, Razoo and Idealist; text for WWC guidance manual to AboutUs; and strategic thinktank to Wiser Earth. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:20:56 PDT Grace, hope you are feeling much better and hpapy to see you here. David, very glad to see you here as well and thrilled to have you use Ned as the World Connectory Group HQ. ---- :Author: David Bale :Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:47:13 PDT Thanks, Mark, for your warm welcome. I'm now looking for sponsors for the `World Connectory Group`_ .. _`World Connectory Group`: http://www.ned.com/group/wwc/ ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:54:48 PDT You bet David. I'll sponsor the group when I get some points, there has been some *magic* and at times a couple groups have just happened too ;-) ---- :Author: Evvy Bryning :Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:58:04 PDT Welcome David! I am happy to sponsor your group. ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:19:34 PDT Well...I am online for a couple of minutes. Getting online in Budapest is not as easy as I might have thought. Some one reassure me here: I am getting a strange feeling that is getting lost in ned the social network. That would be sad. I have a retreat tomorrow and Tuesday at the Budapest Buddhist retreat center working through some of the major concepts that emerged at the conference (The First Conference of the Buddhist Economic Platform: Economics with a Buddhist Face). Then I am seeing if I can change my return to Bangkok to Wed instead of Sat. I have too much work to do to be sightseeing and besides...I can barely walk...we might need to start a drop cash for knee surgery. :-( ---- :Author: Evvy Bryning :Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:37:15 PDT Linda Nowakowski said: Some one reassure me here: I am getting a strange feeling that is getting lost in ned the social network. That would be sad. Hi Linda, So nice to see you on line. I am not quite sure what you mean by the comment above. So sorry to hear about your knee. I hope that getting back from your trip and giving it some rest will help. Pain is the worst. ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:56:59 PDT Let me see if I can clarify a bit... Onet was a tool for . Here I am feeling like the social community has become . Somewhere...I have no idea where now, I made a comment that I felt the the front end of this website had to be thought out very carefully in order to allow to keep it's own identity and not get sucked into becoming a social network. I just don't have the tools on this computer to help me show what I mean. ...well...maybe I do....let me see if I can go and draw a picture that is worth at least a couple of words if not a thousand. ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:10:28 PDT I could use a lot more understanding of the difference between and ned.com myself. I wasn't sure when to use each in putting together the basic site content. Maybe front porch should loose the brackets... I do think that if they are different, they need different names. Calling two different things ned can only lead to confusion. Maybe if we title the community site "Ned the international co-op etc..." then we will have brought the two together. Hmmm. ---- :Author: Rory Turner :Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:57:03 PDT There is something interesting arising here in the interrelationship of naming and institutionalization. Ned is in one sense a tag, a label, and and an attitide that is intentionally porous and flexible. Anything called Ned is Ned, just participating creates a link and a sense of shared consciousness. This seems to me a good spidery emergent-y thing. On the other hand there is possibly a "harder" form of organization involving concrete creation of projects, groups, and relationships that may involve money, legal issues, etc. Between these there may be hybrid forms as well. Also there are fellow traveller projects and groups here, the question with them is are they Ned as well, and if so, how? This ambiguity has been in place since the very first threads on Ned and seems to me to be an ok thing, however, it may be helpful to clarify this continuum. I suggest using a convention such that Ned is left for the loose gestalt, and refers to ANY participation on the network or any projects. Its like Ned is an adjective. "It was a Ned meeting" "The sky is Ned today" Nednet is this place. Any Ned project or group such as NedUganda, is clarified as a distinct new made up word incorporating Ned. However this is carved out, a good well lit workspace clarifying these conventions would be a help to all. Enough. I love you all, intrinsically, unconditionally, but I also especially love you for what you want in coming here, and the promise we bring. I will try to be a helpful friend to Ned, and let the future hold good things for all of us. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:00:12 PDT When I think of Ned, I think of it as a brand...similar to say Virgin or Nike. Nike started out doing just shoes, then became athletic apparel, and now are getting into sports management and entertainment. Virgin started out by selling records from a small add in the back of college papers (and Rolling Stone Magazine), I think and Virgin Megastores are now **huge** record/CD stores...dangerous for people like me that love music. `Virgin`_ however is at this stage lists `35 separate businesses`_ (and I think there are over 100) on its front page alone. Total separate entities ranging from books, to drinks, to comics, to events, to health, to travel...just a myriad of different things. All under the *Virgin* brand. Here are links to the `Ned coop Flowchart`_ and `Ned.com Flowchart`_ one page documents. (and these are still roughs so any orgs listed outside Ned are their for example not endorsement purposes. The difference between and ned.com? is the brand and ned.com is the site. But will and can apply to all levels and types of different products and services. A Coop in Uganda would be a different entity than a licensee in the US. Some ned.com members will not be doing anything Ned related within the ned.com site...and that's a-okay. But many groups and people will and do have deeper levels of collaboration and partnerships with and those and others will evolve over time. .. _`35 separate businesses` : http://www.virgin.com/home.aspx .. _`Ned coop Flowchart` : http://www.ned.com/group/ned/file/4.83.11881411834/get/Ned%20Coop%20Flowchart%20V5.pdf .. _`Ned.com Flowchart` : http://www.ned.com/group/ned/file/9.40.11881412409/get/Ned.com%20Flowchart%20V8.pdf ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:01:22 PDT Cross posted. Wow, very well put Rory. ---- :Author: Luke Martin :Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:55:45 PDT Linda, when you say that you're worried about Ned becoming a social network, I wonder if for you social network is all "hey, dude, funny photo" stuff. But I'd argue that social networks should be much more than that, just as our real world communities should be deeper than hellos and "can I borrow some butter." I'd like to hear a bit more about your fears, and why you're feeling that right now. To me, this site so far feels like people just logging on, checking it out, saying hello -- no action yet. But it's only been a week or two, and many people still haven't left omidyar.net, or are balancing between all the other potential landing sites. ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:21:25 PDT Nope...I am not afraid of ned the social network becoming facebook or myspace. I guess I see ned the social network as this little tiny part of and I have a fear that this abrupt addition to the agenda has the potential of taking over or at least stealing the attention like a squeaky wheel or naughty child. I just think that very careful attention needs to be given to the front end interface particularly to keep the balance. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:27:22 PDT >>I just think that very careful attention needs to be given to the front end interface particularly to keep the balance.<< Hard as it is to give UI directions in writing, can you do your best to share what you think the best UI (front end user interface) ideas would be to keep the balance? ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:16:38 PDT :Modified: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:20:34 PDT To me... NED stems from a basic concept: networked enterprise development. We witnessed this basic concept in action in the foodchain group we had on Onet. I thought of us there as diverse people each trying to develop new better world ideas, and doing it together in a collaborative environment. Over time, as trust developed, many of the foodchain projects became inter-connected with each other. The entrepreneurs behind those projects became each other's teachers, website designers, graphic artists, financiers, promoters, volunteers, sales network, advisors, board members, guinea pigs, etc. here at ned.com I like the idea of specific initiatives replacing the groups taxonomy - the group then (in my mind) becomes kind of like a committee where users participate creatively in building up that initiative. One thing I like about Razoo is the creation and association of causes that are the basis for groups, but the toolset there doesn't seem to enable creative collaboration to the degree that ours does. PLUS, we've got the offline locations in the mix.... so how does it all fit together? I think I'm seeing 3 levels that could be emerging: - ned.com users would participate interactively in committee-like "groups" to develop better world initiatives together. To encourage each member to focus their participation here, perhaps every user should have to join at least 1 committee/group that supports a specific initiative under development within 1 week of signing up for ned membership. - *ned co-branded* initiatives would be a subset of projects developed on ned.com that are promoted by ned corporate in offline and online marketing/sales. There should be, I think, a selection process that awards the ned brand to initiatives that have employed the networked enterprise development concept here in order to achieve progress toward their objectives. Kind of like the Onet community favorites award, but different, because it's not just about a one time financial award (though maybe ned initiatives will receive financial support) but increased integration through shared branding and promotion/sales beyond the ned.com online community. - a ned physical location would employ/implement/promote the networked enterprise development concept in a number of ways: 1. real world promotion of ned branded initiatives thru ned better world product sales and ned better world service ideas (developed online) that are implemented/coordinated locally. ie, stop-genocide now t-shirt sales and/or local action campaigns orchestrated through Ned Thailand, ned Uganda, Ned portland... Peacetiles kits, paper bead bracelets, TEN stuff, dried fruit from Opok Farms :) 2. facilitation of f2f "networked enterprise development" in the offline local setting, (particularly through community microfinance groups? Cat-comm like networking for local social projects? coordination of worldwide connectory activities?) 3. connecting a subset of local ned initiatives with the wider world through setting up/sponsoring new groups at ned.com to support selected local initiatives. ie, Munnu's soap project sponsored by (connected through?) ned Uganda. Just some thoughts... still chewing. ---- :Author: Scott Beale :Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:08:29 PDT great to see all of the conversation and be back in the fold. I hope to be able to use this space for Atlas Service Corps, an idea that 18 months ago grew out of the o-net and now we are sending 4 Colombians and 3 Indians to Washington, DC on September 1. Needless to say, I have not been sleeping very much, but I wanted to poke my head in and say hi and see how NED develops. Hello to all - I think facebook is great for building community, but perhaps this space can be used to build organizations. Thanks, Scott Beale http://www.atlascorps.org ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:19:40 PDT Fantastic to see you here Scott, and thrilled to see all the headway you've made with Atlas. Thumbs up and congrats. Would love it it Ned could help Atlas build the organization in anyway possible. ---- :Author: Scott Beale :Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:28:13 PDT Thanks Mark. For now you can: - Read about the first three Fellows http://www.atlascorps.org/2007-fellows.html The next 4 will be online soon. - Send me your mailing address if you want to receive a fun postcard with their pictures - Go to facebook and see the profiles of all seven (we will get them here soon enough) - And for folks in DC, you can meet them at a reception on Thursday, September 6, we’re doing a happy hour from 5-7pm at Local 16 (1602 U Street, NW) with the Fellows, our Host organization partners, and the DC Friends of Atlas Corps. Thanks, Scott ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:54:11 PDT Great, will check it out and would love to see the postcard too. Looking forward to the 7 arriving here as well. :: N: Mark Grimes C: - a better world experience P: 503-502-0185 W: http://www.ned.com/ A: 4888 NW Bethany Blvd, K5-222 Portland, OR 97229 ---- :Author: Susan Megy :Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:09:13 PDT so glad to be here. feels oh, so familiar, yet Ned has a distinct feel all its own. Love it. Thrilled to be part of this and hope to do a LOT more interacting, as I'm now officially a *full time* student and hope to participate more in between dissertation chapters! Thankful to be surrounded by so many great folks here. ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:20:02 PDT Wooo hooo! Welcome Susan ... now the party can get started : ) ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:47:35 PDT :Modified: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:48:21 PDT Hmmm, I bet some body has already thought this up but it just came to me and I'm in a rush ... * portland.ned * uganda.ned * thailand.ned * saltspring.ned * lesotho.ned networked enterprise development ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:49:20 PDT If we can get the domain extensions done...it could happen. But it would not be cheap. ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:08:08 PDT :Modified: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:26:01 PDT ~ Mark said: If we can get the domain extensions done...it could happen. But it would not be cheap. ~ And that, Mark, is why you get the big points, because you think **BIG**. ** As groups are being created my brain has been on compact/brevity/clarity/flow. One of the difficulties I had with O'net was the proliferation of groups. There became to be so many that it was impossible to keep up. (I know we've had some discussion around limiting the number of groups each member can create to make it more manageable but as far as I know we have not come to any firm decisions.) My thinking is if we can keep Group titles broad and discussion titles consistent it would be much easier to follow. For example: **.ned Locations** (group not yet created) with discussion and workspace titles like: - portland.ned - uganda.ned - thailand.ned - saltspring.ned - lesotho.ned Consistent discussion threads under clear group titles and one knows what the discussion is about before you even click in. Today John started a group **International Relations & Politics** (not picking on you John, just need a real example and thought perhaps this was safe as we did have a PM discussion about it today). Does it follow that the only discussions that can/should happen in that group are International Relations and Politics? Is there a larger umbrella we could put up like **International Affairs** (or whatever) with discussions about Relations and Politics under it? Of course there are a plethora of personalities here with very different ideas of what is broad and what is narrow so this may be very difficult to implement ... and maybe I think too much. It's the bookkeeper in me that wants to keep this a nice, concise flow chart of groups, discussions, projects and activities with very clear categories ... but maybe it's suppose to look more like a spider web? **:S** *[Okay, I think I'm done editing now. I wish comment boxes came with on/off switches then I could just take my time, edit away in the dark and turn the light on when I'm ready :D ]* *[hmmm, alright I wasn't done ... but now I think I am]* ---- :Author: John Firth :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:58:14 PDT Meron, 'International Relations' and 'International Affairs' are normally interchangeable umbrella descriptions but, if the latter description is more commonly used in the USA, I'm quite happy to change the title. I simply used the term 'International Relations' because in the UK that's what people study and 'International Affairs' are liaisons that may or may not qualify for the *Mile High Club* - dependent on agility and inclination. :) ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:45:41 PDT :Modified: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:46:37 PDT ~ John said: 'International Affairs' are liaisons that may or may not qualify for the Mile High Club - dependent on agility and inclination. :) ~ **LMFAO!!!** John, I included that group as an example to a broader question. I have no quibble with what you named your group, really. Don't change a thing, we like you just the way you are. Oh, PS: I don't live in the US either :D ---- :Author: John Firth :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:42:03 PDT My apologies ! Were you extradited or did you escape ? ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:10:00 PDT Ned.com has reached a milestone. We now have "Google Juice." Searching on google for "ned uganda soap" brings you right to Munnu's discussion. We can probably expect to see some new faces soon. ---- :Author: John Berger :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:43:02 PDT I agree 100% with Meron that we need to have more sturcture to the groups and some kind of way or organizing/limiting new groups. ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:46:19 PDT ~ John asked: My apologies ! Were you extradited or did you escape ? ~ Nope. I was ... .. image:: http://www.climateoutdoor.com/img/news_3_large.jpg ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:07:11 PDT John said >>I agree 100% with Meron that we need to have more structure to the groups and some kind of way or organizing/limiting new groups.<< I also think each group should be able to be itself tagged. If we can tag people, threads, and posts...tagging groups seems paramount. Here's a pass and a hand built index. - **Community** - WANTED ADS, OFFERED ADS - Help, Advice, Networking. - Intentional Communities - Better World Island (possibly) - Peace Tiles (possibly) - **Development** - The World Connectory Project - African Economics and Leadership - SaltSpring Organization for Life Improvement and Development - **Social Entrepreneurs & Social Enterprise** - Opok Farms - Ned-Uganda Communities - Made By Survivors (possibly) - **Human Rights** - Sudan Crisis/Stop Genocide Now (possibly) - The Emancipation Network (possibly) - **Ned Web Site** - Help - Front Porch ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:21:08 PDT Congratulations to you all! I look forward to being an active member after Sept. 7. ---- :Author: Steve Habib Rose :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:28:07 PDT Mark Grimes said: Hey, I'm just asking questions and look to the entire BOA for advice. Should Peace Tiles, LiA, Emancipation Network, Better World Island, Stop Genocide Now and others be free (per the BoA invitation) to set up shop here instead of the bland groups that were set as default to start with? Sounds good to me. ---- :Author: Steve Habib Rose :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:44:40 PDT Please consider using the WiserEarth Areas of Focus as standardized tags. Wiser has put a lot of energy into developing their taxonomy, and it's pretty good. And, using the same tags on Ned would greatly simplify identifying other nonprofits doing related work based on the huge directory at WiserEarth.org See: http://www.wiserearth.org/aof/browse Mark Grimes said: John said >>I agree 100% with Meron that we need to have more structure to the groups and some kind of way or organizing/limiting new groups.<< I also think each group should be able to be itself tagged. If we can tag people, threads, and posts...tagging groups seems paramount. Here's a pass and a hand built index. - **Community** - WANTED ADS, OFFERED ADS - Help, Advice, Networking. - Intentional Communities - Better World Island (possibly) - Peace Tiles (possibly) - **Development** - The World Connectory Project - African Economics and Leadership - SaltSpring Organization for Life Improvement and Development - **Social Entrepreneurs & Social Enterprise** - Opok Farms - Ned-Uganda Communities - Made By Survivors (possibly) - **Human Rights** - Sudan Crisis/Stop Genocide Now (possibly) - The Emancipation Network (possibly) - **Ned Web Site** - Help - Front Porch ---- :Author: Steve Habib Rose :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:05:17 PDT Not sure of the proper protocol (if any) for announcing new groups. I've just started a Network Weavers group on Ned. http://www.ned.com/group/networkweavers/ As many of you know, the Network Weavers Network started as part of the Emerging Futures Network discussions on Omidyar Network, and has since expanded to a number of platforms (as well as the real world!). Network Weavers are people who take responsibility for fostering stronger, healthier, more "intentional" networks. Most members of the Network Weavers Network are both strengthening networks and using them for positive social change. For more info on our network (or to join our directory), please visit http://www.networkweavers.net ---- :Author: Evvy Bryning :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:34:32 PDT Trying to follow all this. I was just wondering where Life in Africa - USA would fit on the list? Would we be placed unter Social Entrpeneurs or are we with NeD Uganda since we will be supporting/working with them? ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:42:06 PDT Life in Africa could go in the development category ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:02:10 PDT BTW, this group is now called "Suggestions for Ned.com". Front Porch...which everyone is a member of is now where Ned-Central was. ---- :Author: Nicholas Bentley :Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:28:58 PDT Jim Carroll said: I could use a lot more understanding of the difference between and ned.com myself. I wasn't sure when to use each in putting together the basic site content. Maybe front porch should loose the brackets... I think I would vote for 'loose the brackets' however this is a gut feeling for the image not a true understanding of the different organizational priorities. Hello to all. ---- :Author: Michele Lifshen Reing :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:37:13 PDT Hi everyone - congrats Mark and all the ned board for the launch! Very exciting :-) I'd love to continue my kids.art.charity work/discussions here; on o/net it was not easy to sustain as an entire group - I'm wondering whether a thread within a group on ned is the way to go? Maybe a children-themed group would be nice with related threads within? Thoughts? ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:56:07 PDT Michele, great to see you here...and the main congrats for now really goes to Jim in setting up things here. WRT kid/art/giving, I'd be very tempted to run an ongoing thread under Front Porch from now. It's where all the members are right now, so it's most apt to be seen there. Then after some time there I bet it will be clear if the time to start a Children Group would seem right. When you look at active o/net groups like Food Chain, Peace Tiles and Crisis in the Sudan, it seems like when there are 6 very active members who would likely *focus* the majority of their time in a group, that is enough to sustain a group. ---- :Author: Rory Turner :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:13:53 PDT I agree that considering wiserearth taxonomies would be helpful. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:25:48 PDT Steve and Rory. WiserEarth has 46 Main Areas of Focus and 378 Sub Areas of Focus. Some of their "sub areas" would be our main areas...like Social Entrepreneurs for instance. Perhaps there is a way we can start with 24 of their taxonomies that most closely match orgs/groups/cats that most likely fit within ned.com, and we can grow the rest later? Does that make sense? If these are meant to be something used in the way a group then gets indexed...it may have to be done by hand because I'm not sure about Jim's time to program that kind of change to the software. ---- :Author: Frerieke :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:29:56 PDT great this ned-work of positive action! i'm very pleased to make part of it! let's make more good things come true! you're all great! ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:31:10 PDT Glad you are here with us Frerieke. ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:59:03 PDT I've created a taxonomy_ workspace with the 46 topic areas from wiser earth. I thought it would be useful if whoever is already here could try to put the groups they've started (or want to start someday) into those categories in the workspace, so we can see which ones reflect the reality of who/what we've already got now. When I started to look at doing that myself, though, I found that Opok Farms could fit into a LOT of those topic areas. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a lot of projects here will fall into multiple categories. So a question I'm tossing out there is whether a given group should associate only with one topic area, some maximum number of topic areas, or an unlimited number of topic areas? Thoughts anyone? ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:10:22 PDT Yep. One. Just like indexing a web site at Yahoo, you have to pick the one place it must go...the one that most closely matches. There maybe a time when a second level can connect more and more and more tags. ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:14:08 PDT Can the taxonomy be used as tags to tag content by a few dedicated people here? (Right now, every tag seems to lead to people, which I think we have to balance with more tagging of comments.) ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:31:44 PDT Just wondering... why one, Mark? What is the advantage of that, to whom? The way I personally think about it, the purpose of a taxonomy is to organize things so that *users* can find what they are looking for. So if (for example) Opok Farms is listed in farming, then someone *looking* for education won't find us unless *they* think to look under farming. Limiting it to only one topic area seems to me to make it more difficult, not easier, for the new user to find what they are looking for. PeaceTiles - children, arts, or education? So many of us are cross-cutting and multi-disciplinary in design... limiting to only one topic area seems to me to sell us collectively short. In that vein, I'd suggest a maximum of 4 could cover everyone. On *the O* when you started a group, you associated it with an unlimited number of other groups you belonged to. What I could see working well here is to associate new groups with a maximum 4 topic areas instead of an unlimited number of other groups. ---- :Author: John Firth :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:35:41 PDT Dare I say that this seems to be over-complicating things when simplicity is the key to good/easy navigation. Just look at Harry Beck's famous map of the London Underground. Smart graphics, simplified design. I don't think there's anything wrong with taxonomies - and Christina has done a great job - but I wonder if they work better for linking between groups & discussions rather than solving the straightforward initial problem: *How do I find stuff that I'm interested in?* I've already suggested that the signposts to groups could be quite broad 'categories' that lead us easily to points of interest. Note here that I'm talking about 'categories' as signposts that are just part of the street furniture - they are not owned by anyone and they don't do anything. They simply point the way to the moving traffic of groups owned by members. And, as Christina suggests, those groups could then also be 'indexed' under one or ten taxonomies - it wouldn't matter how many - because the taxonomy would then be a more precise searchable register or the ** which provide a more precise locator once people have found their way around. Make sense ? *Yes/No/Maybe/Be Polite/Say Nothing_He Might Go Away ?* ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:39:13 PDT >>Just wondering... why one, Mark? What is the advantage of that, to whom?<< The advantage of clarity to the user, with less choice more focused index. Users want to find the best targeted content in one click. Group owners (or Flickr, web sites, etc) want to load up on as many tags as possible to draw maximum readers. **IF** we started tagging threads and posts that could create a good effect too as Jim is pointing out. Just tags are still fairly new to many users, and a traditional index would be another good path to content. I could see 3-4 cats within a group I guess. Maybe a primary and 3 secondary. Still not sure what the index would look like with that. Maybe was should begin with Jim's idea (tagging, which is a tool we have now anyway) and start a Tag Team Party thread and getting some tagging criteria set up and start good tagging models from the get-go. ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:39:56 PDT John Firth said: Make sense ? *Yes* cross-posted :) ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:43:54 PDT I'd love it if we could tag groups ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:47:05 PDT I said the same thing recently. And in someways, groups are really already tagged. If you go to a group you see the tag cloud that is made up of all the tags within the threads and comments within that group. (And that could be something a tag team could help enable better from the start of a community) ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:03:38 PDT Very funny mark! :) *tag-team* I like it. Tags do make it easy to categorize, and find content using multiple tags. For the Peace tiles example: http://www.omidyar.net/home/tags/art,kids,workshop Brings you right to some Peace Tiles stuff. On omidyar.net, there were a few people who tagged profusely which really muddied the results. It normally works like a charm. My thought regarding tagging groups is that every time you tag a discussion or comment, you are also tagging the group... just in a more specific and informative way. In any tag result that's in a group you see: Discussion Name in . (or Comment in .) So groups really are part of tagging, and part of the results. The wiser earth taxonomy would require a ton of typing though... maybe one idea would be to make those show up in the suggested tags whenever anyone tags. (I wouldn't want hundreds to show up though, it's just too much effort during tagging to read all of them to see which apply.) ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:19:16 PDT Jim Carroll said: maybe one idea would be to make those show up in the suggested tags whenever anyone tags. I was thinking that too. One of the things I actually don't like about tagging today is the lack of uniformity. one tags with the word treehouse, another with treehouses. I kind of like the idea of the suggested tags filled in with the wiser earth taxonomy. But I really don't think we need all 46. I also wouldn't want to necessarily limit user applied tags to those that are prefilled. I will be happy to volunteer for the tag team to see what tags from W.E. apply to some of the discussions started here. Looking at what I haven't yet read (but want to), I'll work on trying tag stuff in the following groups over the coming days: African Economics and Leadership The World Connectory Project Intentional Communities ---- :Author: John Berger :Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:25:14 PDT I am not a big fan of tagging as it ususaly becomes spam as people start adding way to many and often wrong tags as a form of advertizing. I do like simple, nested structures with simple top groups and logical sub groups. Using Christina's list I can see an argument for top level groups consisting only of Community General Civil Society Organizations: Nonprofits, Philanthropy, and Social Entrepreneurs Politics and Economic Envirornment Human Rights BOP Development and maybee a few others. ---- :Author: John Firth :Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:42:44 PDT I agree. Simple 'category' buttons that lead to the groups and then the discussions/work spaces that we may be looking for on arrival would serve the purpose. Although I must admit I blanked out on the subject of tags in *The Other Place* because the discussions about tagging seemed to go on and on. I use tags on *flickr* as a matter of course but I could never understood why some folks get so excited about them. Maybe I'm taxonomically repressed ? :) ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:00:40 PDT A nice hand-tuned guide to groups is on the wish-list for the front page. If you put together a workspace or two with some possible hierarchies it would help the front page design process, and in the short-term get linked from the front page too. ---- :Author: Kat Vaughan :Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:22:06 PDT Just want to wave my hand and say hello and that I am glad to be here. Look forward to learning, sharing and collaborating with others who have a global mindset and a desire to make the world more equitable. Cheers! ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:25:22 PDT Hey Kat, fantastic to see you here and looking forward to some global collaborations as well. ---- :Author: Rory Turner :Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:20:35 PDT I like John's list a lot, but I do think that the 46 wiserearth categories are not too many, and over time we might be happy we had them. ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:33:35 PDT We could start with bare bones, just to keep things simple for getting started then add more as we need them. That's the beauty of **'edit'**. ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:56:33 PDT Meron, what would your bare bones be? I've been trying out tagging some discussions with the wiser earth taxonomy. I don't like the feel of it too much. ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 03:21:47 PDT Possibly using the wiser earth taxonomy but, as you've suggested in the `taxonomy workspace`_, only use the ones that are relevant to what we have represented here right now. Just to keep things simple in the beginning. We could add more as the need arises and the membership grows. .. _`taxonomy workspace`: http://www.ned.com/group/ned/ws/taxonomy/ ---- :Author: Luke Martin :Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:02:15 PDT Here's a nice quote from a o.net graduate replying to a PM. It feels like there is new energy here!! I have to agree. ---- :Author: John Firth :Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:09:08 PDT Snap ! I said something similar in a PM to another new arrival earlier today. Looks familiar - but feels different ! ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:21:11 PDT Meron Moroz said: Possibly using the wiser earth taxonomy but, as you've suggested in the `taxonomy workspace`_, only use the ones that are relevant to what we have represented here right now. .. _`taxonomy workspace`: http://www.ned.com/group/ned/ws/taxonomy/ I tried applying those top level WiserEarth topic areas to discussions in about 3 groups. I wasn't very thrilled with the results. I didn't feel many of those topics really worked for much of the great meat we already have here. You can look in my tags to see it in practice. I'd be interested in others' impressions. http://www.ned.com/user/u607448711/tags/ ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:35:08 PDT I do agree with you Christina ... how about WiserEarth topic areas with an creative twist? ; ) ---- :Author: Christina Jordan :Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:57:24 PDT come on baby... lets do the ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:52:18 PDT hey everyone - just popping in to say hi - in the middle of redesigning peacetiles.net, so a bit locked up. quick question: any possibility of implementing a "speed week" here at ned to encourage discussion creation? it costs me a point to recreate each discussion i'd like - a point that just doesn't accrue fast enough! best, lars ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:58:09 PDT Lars, are you trying to "import" some threads from o/net? ---- :Author: John Firth :Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:31:39 PDT Why not use 'Wanted Ads' for points sponsorship to open new discussion threads for members who are short on points ? If 'Wanted' was in everyone's watched lists by default then it would be flagged up in bold every time someone posted a new request. But then (er!) that might need 'Wanted Ads' to be exempt from the points requirement for new threads. Possible ? ---- :Author: Evvy Bryning :Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:08:39 PDT I like that idea! ---- :Author: John Firth :Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:19:09 PDT Thanks Evvy ! Keep saying it LOUD..... :D ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:43:30 PDT John, seems like an administrative burden to me - sounds like fun for some, but really its a pain of a workaround if one just wants to get something done. Mark, yes trying to "import" some discussions, but not the whole kit/kaboodle... ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:39:30 PDT Maybe that's a utility Jim can create (not sure how hard that might be) to import a limited number of threads (on a limited basis, with CCAL approval) from onet for certain groups. ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:18:56 PDT I can do it, except the Auhtors would all have to look like Lars (or whoever I'm doing it for.) It's not easy to match members between the two sites, even if they exist on both. -Jim ---- :Author: John Firth :Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:25:22 PDT I don't understand why it's necessary to port discussions to when it is simpler (and perhaps fresher) to simply re-open the discussions as a new thread here and where necessary link back to the o/net archive. Isn't that what others have already done ? ---- :Author: Jim Carroll :Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:28:11 PDT It would be nice to have some old content here though... it might be just as useful to dump an entire archived old discussion into a workspace though... ---- :Author: John Firth :Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:54:26 PDT Jim, I agree that all things might be possible but I was just trying to be practical. If whole discussions are transferred is anyone going to read them in full ? I would guess not. I would also suggest that everyone might have their own ideas about the discussions that ought to be transferred - and, if the facility existed, then I assume it would be made available to all with possibly chaotic consequences. A week ago we were discussing how to organise groups under simple 'categories' of some kind because new groups were sprnging up without any apparent order or category *umbrella*. Surely porting archives to when we can link back to those archives anyway is not going to help the organisation of this place. I would also have thought that the developing ethos of meant that we were making a fresh start here and, although some of the already profligate use of reputation points might suggest otherwise - I would hope that fresh ideas and fresh dialogue (even on old threads started anew) will keep this place positive, invigorated and gradually distanced from *The Other Place*. In short, at some point in time we have to let go - so why not now ? is (I hope) going to be something more than *Omidyar Net Part II* !! ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:42:55 PDT I think that some things on onet are important to what we do here and even important after the time that Onet will archive those discussions and work spaces (it won't be forever). Just my $.02. ---- :Author: Jim Fussell :Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:22:54 PDT MARK GRIMES Birthday is Sept. 10 _____________________________ Facebook reports that Mark's birthday is tomorrow! How are you Mark? ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:57:59 PDT Full of BBQ chicken and carrot cake, thank you. Celebrated today with Pam, the boys, and my Mom...I've got meetings tomorrow from 9AM-9PM. ---- :Author: Meron Moroz :Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:03:36 PDT ~Mark said: ...I've got meetings tomorrow from 9AM-9PM.~ Does that mean will be quiet tomorrow? **; )** **HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARK!!!** ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:06:07 PDT It's the 10th here already...so let me be the first! .. raw :: html HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MARK! **( green, no less!)** ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:11:51 PDT >>Does that mean will be quiet tomorrow? ; )<< Ha. It means you gotta get *even more work done* around here. >>( green, no less!)<< That was cool. Thank you both Meron & Linda. ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:27:23 PDT Nice; happy birthday Mark (tips glass). John, you asked, "I don't understand why it's necessary to port discussions to when it is simpler (and perhaps fresher) to simply re-open the discussions as a new thread here and where necessary link back to the o/net archive." Well, my request was about parts of discussions, ie the bits I like. These often involve: - Links (urls, email, etc) - Descriptions of people/projects - Images These seem to me both a) valuable and b) onerous and unnecessary to rewrite. Hope that clarifies what I was looking for. ---- :Author: John Firth :Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:05:45 PDT As crystal ! Thanks Lars........... I had (groan) some visions, following your suggestion, of the 'porting principle' being followed by a complete unloading of something like the *Iran Next* thread into the International Relations group with an exhortation to read and discuss ......... until 2009. :) ---- :Author: Luke Martin :Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:30:55 PDT Mark, when you get a chance, you should tell people about your worst birthday ever -- Sept. 10, 2001, right? Your 40th? And then you can make sure we know that life really does begin at 40. ---- :Author: Luke Martin :Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:31:59 PDT ----- p.s. **Happy Birthday!** ----- ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong :Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:32:52 PDT Mark - have a productive birthday! And congratulations on a wonderful community here. ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:43:17 PDT Happy Birthday to day to .. raw :: html Jeff Mowatt ---- :Author: Michael Maranda :Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:30:57 PDT Late to the party, as usual... I traveled a bit seeing family and friends in August, and the past 2 weeks have been dealing with family health matters, but such is life. Oh, and Chicgao has nixed its current wireless RFP (which I take to be a good thing)... ---- :Author: Michael Maranda :Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:31:15 PDT And by the way, I am glad to see this site well under way! ---- :Author: Jim Fussell :Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:20:28 PDT Happy Merry Birthday Mark! Thank YOU for all you do! and it is great to see this website community at NED well underaway, as Michael M says. Greetings to your family - household, extended and global! jim ---- :Author: Linda Nowakowski :Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:39:42 PDT John Firth said: As crystal ! Thanks Lars........... I had (groan) some visions, following your suggestion, of the 'porting principle' being followed by a complete unloading of something like the *Iran Next* thread into the International Relations group with an exhortation to read and discuss ......... until 2009. :) Not to worry John....they are saving that 400 G hard drive to transfer "The end of omidyar.net: creating new communities" :-) ---- :Author: Michele Lifshen Reing :Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:41:42 PDT A very happy birthday to you, Mark! What a great way to start the year. Do tell about your Sept 10, 2001 birthday. We happened to be returning from vacation at the shore that day and got rear-ended in a multiple-car accident; i was pregnant and we were just thinking that was the worst day ever... ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:15:42 PDT Maybe the worst day ever happened the next day, eh? ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:06:33 PDT Welcome Michael, better late than never so *they* say. Thanks for the many birthday wishes. I'll tell the turning 40 on 9/10 story someday, I've never written it before. For now, let's all hope some day for peace on earth. ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:29:48 PDT :Modified: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:37:10 PDT Oh, was *he* late? I didn't notice ;P Maybe you can have *Pam* write the story for you, Mark...? Peace. On earth? Riiiiight. Anyone ever watch the complete "Martian Chronicles"...? Seriously, 40 can be rough I hear... Brings out the glass half full/empty perspective pretty quick! 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---- :Author: Dominique Beyens :Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:45:46 PDT Lars said: *40 can be rough I hear* **Then again, when you're over the hill, you pick up speed**. Happy birthday ---- :Author: Scott Beale :Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:58:08 PDT hasppy birthday Mark and others, one thing I like about facebook so much is the birthday notice! I will be creating a group for Atlas Corps soon on NED and followed the conversation about location. Do people have strong opinions about where I create this group on the site. (and do people want to help me get to the 10 points needed to start a group!) thanks, scott http://www.atlascorps.org/intro.html ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:15:04 PDT Thnx Scott. Right now there still is no index, so start it anywhere. I'll drop you a couple points to try to get you to 10. Once my bank builds back to 5 I can then help sponsor the group too. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:17:56 PDT OK. You have 10 in the bank for a new group. ---- :Author: John Firth :Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:25:51 PDT My bank is bulging at the moment so PM me if you need sponsors. ---- :Author: Scott Beale :Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:33:24 PDT Thanks Mark! I do need sponsors, here is the link to the group: http://www.ned.com/group/atlascorps/ Soon you will be able to meet the Atlas Corps Fellows here. Take care, Scott ---- :Author: John Firth :Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:06:38 PDT OK Scott, I think you'll find that the group is now up and running. ---- :Author: Scott Beale :Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:27:59 PDT Thanks John and everyone else! We will get conversation going there soon. Take care, Scott ---- :Author: Steve Brant :Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:26:40 PST I just joined Ned.com, thanks to discovering that Shari Aaron is a member. I look forward to participating in what looks to be a great place for progressive thinking, world changing (to quote the name of another great - but different - site) people to interact with each other. To whoever is responsible, thanks for starting this community! Steve ---- :Author: Gayle Rogers :Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:27:31 PST Welcome Steve!! ---- :Author: Shirley McIntyre :Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:36:15 PST Meron Moroz left for Swaziland Wed. Luggage is buldging with art supplies and peace tiles, baby hats by the Knit Witts of Saltspring, protein bars and lots of useful "stuff" for Sipho's orphans, including the money for the women to make school uniforms. ----