:Author: chris macrae :Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 01:54:44 PDT my experience on kicked out is the opposite of mark's and linda's - it happens very often when 2 entrepreneurs life work's accidentally clash; deep innovation at a practical level is always (subliminally if not consciously) about steering different groups of people through conflicts as anyone who has practised harrison owen's Open space methods can attest to trying to learn from this is important but also very contextual; in the unlikely event that john and kasinja want to join in an external email conversation with me at chris.macrae@yahoo.co.uk - my advantage being I am independent of either; I edit education entrepreneur guides as one of my main activitoies but dont know the case involved; and yup I know many of the unluckly accidental conflicts that get between 2 people when they passionately want to save part of the world