I do not mean to be rude here. When I started this thread I defined what I was trying to talk about.

It was not:

Isn't mindfulness more about simply allowing the awareness of whatever thinking and feeling might be going on?

Nor was it:

Isn't the purpose of mindfulness more to be fully aware of what is going on in the 'mind'?

I was trying to think through something specific and how to communicate it to a normal western mind. John and David and Ceris accepted that premise. Changent - who ever that might be - chose to come in and steal the thread and define something else to talk about. If this new discussion is going to continue, it will be in Changent's Personal News, not mine.

I guess I need to find another way to think out loud than in my Personal News.