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Setting up the site
Posted to: Jim Carroll (65) by Jim Carroll (65), Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:49:45 PDT
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Well, there were a few challenges setting up the site, but it's up now!
The site uses python 2.4 and can't run with python 2.5 no matter how hard I tried. The problem comes down to quixote being a technology that gets into the language quite deeply. It creates a variation of python called the Python Template Language, and the way it does it just doesn't seem to be compatible with Python 2.5.
Another multi-day challenge was the mail server. It took a while to track down, but all along the whole problem was that I had the site in development mode, where it redirects all emails to the www user. Once I put the site in production mode, e-mail started flowing.
It also took a little while to figure out that I had to do a site start lucene, then createdb, then I could start the rest of the site. The database creation requires that the site not be running, but the text indexing server be ready and waiting.
Now that things are running, I'd like to put the source code in a sourceforge project called open-qon. This is really just for my benefit, since I can use their Subversion source code control repository without having to set up my own local installation. It also openes the door to letting other people contribute to the active code base (with my oversight, of course ;)
By Jackie Brosseuk (25), Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:35:45 PDT
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I have no idea what any of that meant Jim! LOL thank heavens you are doing this and not me! LOL
a BIG THANKYOU
By Jim Carroll (65), Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:47:10 PDT
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By Meron Moroz (85), Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:41:22 PDT
Edited: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:43:45 PDT
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I thought this might be useful to bring over but I can't edit Help.
http://www.omidyar.net/group/pat ch/ws/start/?searchterm=title
By Jim Carroll (65), Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:52:46 PDT
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By Luke Martin (18), Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:02:27 PDT
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By Jim Carroll (65), Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:20:36 PDT
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Luke Martin said:
[...] considering that I have little tolerance for snakes, the whole python thing just freaks me out.
Python, named after the Flying Circus, if that helps the anxiety at all...
By Meron Moroz (85), Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:54:20 PDT
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Don't they have big boa like snakes in the circus?
:D
By lost member #1 (-1), Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:52:21 PDT
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By Jim Carroll (65), Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:43:57 PDT
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Thanks Brad,
Thanks for the well wishes, I don't think there will be as much luck involved as you think!
By Evvy Bryning (117), Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:37:01 PDT
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Hi Jim, I am hoping this is the right place to ask this question.
I am a little red-faced to admit that I really have no really clear idea how to use tags. Is there some place you can point me to that will explain it and teach me how to use the system?
By Jim Carroll (65), Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:53:02 PDT
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Tagging is a little strange if you've never used it before on other sites. Just to make sure it was working, I just used the search field at the top of each page, and searched for 'tag' to find:
http://www.ned.com/group/help/ws /tagging_faq
I think that what makes tagging valuable is when it's used to draw attention to valuable content. It can be seen as a way of indexing content so others find the right thing when they are looking for a specific topic. It also is a great way of keeping personal bookmarks on content you want to return to in the future.
By Evvy Bryning (117), Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:57:50 PDT
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By Mark Grimes (181), Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:04:18 PDT
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Evvy, the only real site I've used tags before is Flickr...and it's fairly easy to tag a picture.
Tagging posts, thread and members profiles becomes a whole different thing and there are many very creative ways to use tagging I suspect. Also, clicking on tags and seeing how others have tagged things can be interesting too. Have fun.
By Allison Coyne Carroll (18), Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:31:56 PDT
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I am SOOOOOOO very proud of you! And you know I love it when you talk tech.
I'll pickup more coffee tomorrow!
By Jim Carroll (65), Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:32:32 PDT
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Thanks everyone! Thanks Love :) mmm... coffee. (Allison and I buy Green Mountain Coffee Roasters, which is fair trade, and has all the right social missions in place.)
I'm so excited the site is attracting such a high caliber of members! The thought crossed my mind that Ned is already playing a significant role in some of the transformation that is happening. Please feed the Cheetahs!
By Arthur Brock (12), Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:38:20 PDT
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Great work Jim!
Having spent much time in my life building and/or managing such systems, I feel for you and appreciate the hours you're putting in and the willingness to put yourself on the line to make it run and keep it running.
By RicHARD *Late to the Party* Makepeace (30), Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:53:47 PDT
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Jackie Brosseuk said:
I have no idea what any of that meant Jim! LOL thank heavens you are doing this and not me! LOL
a BIG THANKYOU
I'm with Jackie right down the line. Thank god you are doing this work and not me and great gratitude and kudos to you.
It's soo much like p'omidyar that I can actually use it with the tiny bit of knowledge that I have.
Thaknx again, Jim!!
By Sabine McNeill (6), Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:45:31 PST
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Jim Carroll said:
Well, there were a few challenges setting up the site, but it's up now!
The site uses python 2.4 and can't run with python 2.5 no matter how hard I tried. The problem comes down to quixote being a technology that gets into the language quite deeply. It creates a variation of python called the Python Template Language, and the way it does it just doesn't seem to be compatible with Python 2.5.
Another multi-day challenge was the mail server. It took a while to track down, but all along the whole problem was that I had the site in development mode, where it redirects all emails to the www user. Once I put the site in production mode, e-mail started flowing.
It also took a little while to figure out that I had to do a site start lucene, then createdb, then I could start the rest of the site. The database creation requires that the site not be running, but the text indexing server be ready and waiting.
Now that things are running, I'd like to put the source code in a sourceforge project called open-qon. This is really just for my benefit, since I can use their Subversion source code control repository without having to set up my own local installation. It also openes the door to letting other people contribute to the active code base (with my oversight, of course ;)
Dear Jim
I'm tiptoeing into ned.com and notice omidyar.net every so often.
With my German thoroughness and Slavic passion for net-working, I was looking for: - what ned is meant to abbreviate - what the 'legacy issue' of omidyar.net might be - why omidyar.net was shut down (wikipedia says no reason was given) - what the appropriate way is for responding to messages in the Input box. It seems as if there's no personal reply option.
Hoping that I'm not re-asking too much, Sabine
By Sabine McNeill (6), Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:57:54 PST
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Jim
I spotted a red 'edit' note somewhere and wonder whether I could correct my spelling mistakes...
S
By Linda Nowakowski (189), Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:52:37 PST
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Sabine,
Welcome...lots of questions there!
Ned was not meant to be anything but means lots to many! A couple of NEDisms that work for me are "Networked Entrepreneurial Development" and "Need Everyone DOING!". Mark should probably be the one to officially address that issue though!
Onet shut down and on one was really ever given a definitive answer. Sometimes things just happen. It's something I have learned to accept living in Thailand all of these years.
All replys in your inbox are personal. If you want to respond to someone in a discussion personally, you can click on their name and then click on the send them a message link.
Regarding edits - you can edit anything that you want. It just keeps track of it...kind of like the wiki portions I guess.
If there is anything else you need help with...here is good, or you can message me directly!
By Jim Carroll (65), Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:49:44 PST
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Hi Sabine, Welcome. I see Linda answered your questions.
Enjoy! -Jim
By Mark Grimes (181), Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:47:31 PDT
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>>It also openes the door to letting other people contribute to the active code base (with my oversight, of course ;)<<
Very nice indeed.
Again thank you for all this Jim. I'd drop 5 points on the thread...but gave them to new members instead ;-)